Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 25 2022 11:14am)

stories like these may be the only chance Ukraine has in an extended guerilla warfare strategy vs the conventional arms of Russia. the more heartbreaking losses the country suffers the closer they inch to surrendering.

men ages 18-60 are already being kept from fleeing, we're likely looking at a fairly drawn out insurgency effort after the initial rush of tanks, bombing, etc.

the Klitchko's are fighting, and as silly as it sounds if/when Putin announces their death it could ripple outward and ruin troop morale.

it could be that hundreds of thousands of men die in the coming months or years, a few dozen going out in style for their country won't change the tides of war.

honestly it doesnt look like Ukraine has any chance unless we see sanctions so drastically terrible against Russia, as well as threats of Nukes on every single side of him as well as a major increase of NATO sites, that Putin balks. pretty hard to see him doing that however with already going this far. he's almost better off in isolation selling fuel to china, north korea, iran, and whoever else will take it. even if he gets NATO to back down from escalation sanctions are all but guaranteed. whether this was caused by NATO aggressions, russian greed for land and ports, or literally anything else. it doesnt change the drastic escalation of tensions that now all but guarantees a cold war renewal, sadly with likely china/russian allied against all of the west. who tf knows what that means for chinese manufactured goods in the supply chain, if anything. china will sit on the fence and get cheap fuels while still offshoring cheap products and components and just keep chugging.

Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 25 2022 11:19am)

Some people don't want to live as vassals to a Chinese vassal. Being the slave of a slave is pretty depressing.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 25 Feb 2022 11:23)

They never had a chance and to encourage and force people to pick up arms is literally sending them to suicide by AK or tanks and for what? Why encourage guerilla warfare are the Russians going around raping and pillaging?

It's one thing if Russians were going door to door lining up Ukrainians to be shot in the back of the head and thrown into mass graves. It's another when they are pretty clearly only targeting military targets and beyond that, they're calling for the Ukrainian military to stand down so they can just overthrow the pro western government.

I'm not saying the Ukrainian people should be like the French and suck the Germans dicks when they were taken over but I do think pretty much the whole world, even the Ukrainians know how this ends and it's not with the Ukrainians winning. So why sacrifice the plebs for nothing?

Quote (Vastet @ Feb 25 2022 11:28am)

The irrational hatred of France always makes me shake my head. A few French people did indeed collaborate with the nazi's. But the same can be said of any country that fell under their thumb. As well as of countries that never did fall, like the US.
The majority did not collaborate. And some fought back so effectively that it aided in the conquest of Germany.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 25 Feb 2022 11:30)

no one cares, what we care about is the France memes that have spawned out of it are top tier

Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 25 2022 11:23am)

They never had a chance and to encourage and force people to pick up arms is literally sending them to suicide by AK or tanks and for what? Why encourage guerilla warfare are the Russians going around raping and pillaging?

It's one thing if Russians were going door to door lining up Ukrainians to be shot in the back of the head and thrown into mass graves. It's another when they are pretty clearly only targeting military targets and beyond that, they're calling for the Ukrainian military to stand down so they can just overthrow the pro western government.

I'm not saying the Ukrainian people should be like the French and suck the Germans dicks when they were taken over but I do think pretty much the whole world, even the Ukrainians know how this ends and it's not with the Ukrainians winning. So why sacrifice the plebs for nothing?

Yes and these people end up in graves meanwhile the pragmatists are left behind to build their country up.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 25 2022 11:23am)

They never had a chance and to encourage and force people to pick up arms is literally sending them to suicide by AK or tanks and for what? Why encourage guerilla warfare are the Russians going around raping and pillaging?

It's one thing if Russians were going door to door lining up Ukrainians to be shot in the back of the head and thrown into mass graves. It's another when they are pretty clearly only targeting military targets and beyond that, they're calling for the Ukrainian military to stand down so they can just overthrow the pro western government.

I'm not saying the Ukrainian people should be like the French and suck the Germans dicks when they were taken over but I do think pretty much the whole world, even the Ukrainians know how this ends and it's not with the Ukrainians winning. So why sacrifice the plebs for nothing?



Yes and these people end up in graves meanwhile the pragmatists are left behind to build their country up.

Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 25 2022 11:38am)

if China invaded would you stand down? let your children and grand children grow up in a land run by social credit and vast historical denying censorship? living in a land where leaving home without a mask carries a 2 year prison sentence instead of something taking a tiktok harassing you?

i'd send my kids to safety and get to working on some irony by feeding some chinese meat to my dogs.

Quote (thesnipa @ 25 Feb 2022 11:38)

if China invaded would you stand down? let your children and grand children grow up in a land run by social credit and vast historical denying censorship? living in a land where leaving home without a mask carries a 2 year prison sentence instead of something taking a tiktok harassing you?

i'd send my kids to safety and get to working on some irony by feeding some chinese meat to my dogs.