Quote (duffman316 @ Aug 11 2016 02:48am)

the problem is i end up paying for their gluttony in the end
it was fine when it was a minor issue and society frowned upon such repulsive eating habits but we now live in a time where obesity is skyrocketing and obesity is glorified as perfectly healthy (see the show on the first page)




if your fat fingers could wield a mouse adequately to sift through the past 137 pages you'd see i've covered smokers already
they're in the same boat as fat people but society tolerates and promotes discrimination against smokers while coddling fat people telling people like you that there's nothing wrong with being 400 pounds

Quote (howtodisappearcompletely @ Aug 11 2016 10:53pm)

That's probably because you bolded out too little. "Being obese is normal and fine" indeed sounds pretty ludicrous without context.

Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ 12 Aug 2016 08:55)

So the problem is the rash of people who are reading fat acceptance sites and deciding that they're going to be fat now coz it's awesome?

Quote (majorblood @ Aug 12 2016 09:54am)

being obese isn't normal or fine(as defined by a good thing) whether or not the obese person has agency to understand their poor decisions. Should they be allowed to make poor decisions? absolutely, but I don't see how it makes it normal or fine

/e is there is no line, society can judge any behavior

Quote (CarsV @ Aug 12 2016 01:28am)

Oh you're absolutely right. It's every person's right to eat only the skin off KFC chicken and tubs of Ben & Jerry's Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough. But, the moment they enter the public realm where they are fair game to any and equal criticism, especially if they're in a modeling business, they need to accept the "basic" rules of criticism. They are no more special than anybody else; they get no special treatment.

Quote (howtodisappearcompletely @ Aug 12 2016 12:09am)

Well now you're derailing the argument into an argument about what the words "normal" and "fine" mean. I'll use veto on what I meant, though: I fully accept people who enjoy food more than they enjoy good health, and I will never feel the need or the urge to shame them for this. That's all.

Follow-up question: do you think people with schizophrenia, autism and ADHD need to be accepted? Do you feel that society can gain something from shaming such people?

Quote (majorblood @ 12 Aug 2016 11:22)

I don't think shaming solves mental disorders but I don't think anywhere near the majority of obese people have a mental disorder that caused their obesity.

Quote (majorblood @ Aug 12 2016 10:22am)

I don't think shaming solves mental disorders but I don't think anywhere near the majority of obese people have a mental disorder that caused their obesity.

Quote (howtodisappearcompletely @ Aug 12 2016 01:09am)

Mental disorder or not, many of those people suffer from psychological phenomenons that they're not aware of. Cognitive dissonance, for instance, is something you can't solve by just calling the person out on it.

So, similarly as with actual disorders, helping these people instead of shaming them should be the way to go. That doesn't mean we have to enable them in their behavior -- it means we enable them in finding a solution to their problems.

Quote (majorblood @ Aug 11 2016 10:22pm)

I don't think shaming solves mental disorders but I don't think anywhere near the majority of obese people have a mental disorder that caused their obesity.