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HRC had to walk a tight line. She had to convince the DNC voters that while Bernie's ideas weren't bad they were not likely to be accomplished and may cause regression. She had to convince people that Bernie was an outsider who couldn't work with congress while also walking another tight line with her relationships with Paul Ryan. Enough to convince people she could get things done without playing into the swamp narrative too much. I think a lot of simplistic people (not you) took this as her bashing socialism while hypocritically offering socialism-lite, I disagree she was the far more pragmatic of the two and by all means an Obama term repeat.


I actually think you're right on the money about her being Obama's third term, and that's precisely what the problem was. Obama promised hope and change when he was elected, and despite that, not very much changed during the 8 years of his presidency. Even his signature legislative accomplishment, the ACA, ended up being a mediocre success for some people and an abysmal failure for many others that continues to this day. Running a campaign where you are trying to extend the status quo in a society requiring significant changes to address very fundamental problems like wealth inequality, health care, military intervention, and immigration was probably the worst possible message one could send to people demanding ACTUAL change / answers.
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We're better than Mexico

Therefore, we are good enough. We can stop all improvement.
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We're better than Mexico

Therefore, we are good enough. We can stop all improvement.


recognizing that perhaps the US isnt a hyper racist hellhole for minorities isnt implying no improvements should be made.
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recognizing that perhaps the US isnt a hyper racist hellhole for minorities isnt implying no improvements should be made.


recognising that pointing out the unfortunately growing racism problem isn't implying the whole country is "a hyper racist hellhole for minorities"...

no, the "b-b-but we aren't a hyper racist hellhole for minorities" argument is the deliberate misrepresentation that ppl like you on the right so often resort to, in order to avoid addressing the actual issue.
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recognising that pointing out the unfortunately growing racism problem isn't implying the whole country is "a hyper racist hellhole for minorities"...

no, the "b-b-but we aren't a hyper racist hellhole for minorities" argument is the deliberate misrepresentation that ppl like you on the right so often resort to, in order to avoid addressing the actual issue.


if the racism is growing what do you believe is causing it?
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recognising that pointing out the unfortunately growing racism problem isn't implying the whole country is "a hyper racist hellhole for minorities"...

no, the "b-b-but we aren't a hyper racist hellhole for minorities" argument is the deliberate misrepresentation that ppl like you on the right so often resort to, in order to avoid addressing the actual issue.


Yes SJWs are merely "pointing out" the "growing" racism problem. The saints!

Making a joke about them is 'avoiding the actual issue', and truthful statements are a "deliberate misrepresentation" :rolleyes:

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Yes SJWs are merely "pointing out" the "growing" racism problem. The saints!

Making a joke about them is 'avoiding the actual issue', and truthful statements are a "deliberate misrepresentation" :rolleyes:

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nop, the "joke" is perfectly fine. it obviously only works by grossly simplifying the "conflicting" statements.

you acting like according to them, america "is a hyper racist hellhole for minorities" without trying to make cheap joke, however, is just what i called it: a deliberate misrepresentation and it very much avoids the actual issue of growing racial divide...
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Are you really suggesting SJWs dont say and imply hyperbolic shit like that?

"deliberate misrepresentation" :rolleyes:
deliberately obtuse. willfully ignorant. a disagreeable person looking for disagreements.
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Are you really suggesting SJWs dont say and imply hyperbolic shit like that?

"deliberate misrepresentation" :rolleyes:
deliberately obtuse. willfully ignorant. a disagreeable person looking for disagreements.


i'm suggesting that you happily misrepresent whatever you hear from "SJWs" because it's easier to mock made up claims like "hyper racist hellhole for minorities" than addressing the actual message about growing racial divide. there's plenty of evidence for that in your last couple of posts...
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