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Nov 4 2020 11:26am
Quote (Santara @ Nov 4 2020 12:19pm)
Let's examine this. For there to be responsibility, there must also be authority. Does Donald Trump have the authority to shutter American schools and businesses and force citizens to shelter in place and wear face masks?


It's a debatable point how much Trump's actions governmentally could've limited deaths. I think the easy points of criticism are his bullshit on mask wearing, holding rallies(especially when not mandating masks), not wearing a mask himself and urging others to wear one, sparring with his health officials in public, spreading misinformation from the White House podium, etc.

He helped turn masking into a weird cultural fight. I feel comfortable saying had Trump handled the pandemic in a serious and appropriate way, tens of thousands of American lives would've been saved.

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Nov 4 2020 11:27am
Quote (SuperSpreader @ Nov 4 2020 12:26pm)
lol noob


See you didn't even deny the fact you are a random with no voice at all. Shut up and sit down.
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Nov 4 2020 11:27am
The fact their are Biden supporters is very scary.

This post was edited by D_urRRR on Nov 4 2020 11:27am
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Nov 4 2020 11:28am
Quote (Santara @ Nov 4 2020 11:25am)
Trump's authority over dealing with the pandemic is quite limited, and you know it. You cannot hold someone responsible for something he has virtually no authority to affect. Yes, he could have been a great cheerleader, but the actions that have the greatest effect on controlling the spread of the virus, he has no control over, they rest with the governors.


Misinformation goes a long way imo, and trump was the champion of that
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Nov 4 2020 11:29am
Can any right winger here explain how Trump is simultaneously saying the ballots coming out of PA are rigged but the ballots coming out of Arizona aren't?
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The fact their are Biden supporters is very scary.



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Nov 4 2020 11:29am
Quote (Santara @ Nov 4 2020 11:25am)
Trump's authority over dealing with the pandemic is quite limited, and you know it. You cannot hold someone responsible for something he has virtually no authority to affect. Yes, he could have been a great cheerleader, but the actions that have the greatest effect on controlling the spread of the virus, he has no control over, they rest with the governors.


The real issue with Trump is not that he didn't try or couldn't try to make lockdown or mask mandates. It's that he actively subverted good advice.

If he had said "I can't do it, but governors should!" and then made wearing a mask a priority then he wouldn't be getting shit for how he handled covid. At least not nearly as much.

Instead he actively made scientific recommendations controversial and sewed doubt in the public.



Oh and there's the fact that he responded insanely late on PPE manufacturing and procurement, actively encouraged bidding wars between states to acquire limited PPE, and a whole host of other things that he should be good at as a businessman.

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Quote (AspenSniper @ Nov 4 2020 12:24pm)
thanks dawg, u got MI/WI/NV?


Theres a lot of USPS/Mail in fuckery in the first two states right now. I dont think its possible to predict them yet.

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Can any right winger here explain how Trump is simultaneously saying the ballots coming out of PA are rigged but the ballots coming out of Arizona aren't?


PA had a controversial SCOTUS judgment within the past week and the AG of Pennsylvania said that Biden was going to win two days ago.

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Theres a lot of USPS/Mail in fuckery in the first two states right now. I dont think its possible to predict them yet.


WI is already done counting.
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See you didn't even deny the fact you are a random with no voice at all. Shut up and sit down.


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