The baby being inside your body isn't really relevant when it comes to 'is this a baby or not', and if the answer is yes, you are, by definition, murdering it. It's very simple and one does not have to be religious or right wing to see it.

I've already said that the question of "When does life begin?", which is just a different way of saying "Is this a baby or not?", is irrelevant. There are justifiable ways in which people end a life, and abortion is but one example.

Convenience or economic hardship don't fit that bill

Right, hence my posts mentioning "bodily autonomy".

when people point out that without the mother's nutrients the baby dies and seek to define "life" as a being not reliant on pumped in nutrients from another, pro lifers seeks to use a coma patient on a feeding tube as a "counter example". as if pro choice people are anything but willing to also call that person not really alive. there's also the chance that a coma patient recovers, and when recovery is impossible people can ethically pull the cord and let them die.

perhaps pro life people would be ok with a mother not aborting a child, but simply having a doctor remove it and cut the cord. then if it lives, it lives. im sure a clump of 500 cells will do just fine on a cold operating table.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 8 2023 03:24pm

No need to overcomplicate it IMO

the debate is sterile

I think abortion should be legal but heavily stigmatized by society. Until a woman gives birth I see it as their right to decide what happens to themselves and by proxy, the life inside of them. That said, I think it is disgusting how some pro abortion advocates treat it as a meaningless medical procedure and I don't think it being legal should shield someone from the criticism they rightly deserve for their poor choices and poor morals.

you havent the foggiest idea why all the fuss about jabbing citizens but never gave a rats azz what is let in at the border

oops

This post was edited by TiStuff on Mar 8 2023 04:50pm