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Apr 16 2022 03:55pm
Quote (David_911 @ Apr 16 2022 04:48pm)
This is the part most people are arguing about, and that's not what is says.
And since the law does not care what your version of the bill says, here is what is actually says, word for word.

3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third
parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur
in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age
appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in
accordance with state standards.


As you can see, nowhere in the bill is "casual discussion" mentioned as being protected.
The wording is vague and undefined. Who decides what is age or developmentally appropriate?
Teachers are already at high risk of legal exposure and having their underpaid and underappreciated career ruined.
Now, as the law is written, they could be at risk for discussing ANY gender identities or sexual orientation. So, no families, no more husbands or wives exist, not even Mr., Ms., or Mrs. could be used.


Also, if it truly meant what you claim it does, than wouldn't that imply that there is legal protection for classroom instruction that was NOT age or developmentally appropriate for children after grade 3 or outside of the state of Florida.
Like, why would they need a bill passed if it was never ok to teach inapropriate subject matters with children in school in the first place? And why would that protection disappear after grade 3 and outside the state of Florida?


Even teaching that there is gender fluidity or that people can choose their gender is indoctrination. These are all unscientific political opinions.

Indoctrination: the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.
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Apr 16 2022 04:01pm
Quote (WastedPenguinz @ Apr 16 2022 05:53pm)
lol you aint new here


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Apr 16 2022 04:10pm
Quote (David_911 @ Apr 16 2022 05:44pm)
Got any sources for those claims? Specifically the part where you claim that teachers have sexually indoctrinated children k-3rd grade and been legally protected.
If you don't have any sources for what you're claiming, then your just perpetuating the fearmongering you fell victim to in the first place.


Here the governor addresses some concerns. https://youtu.be/floPB8M7Wlg?t=2041

Lady shares how curriculum was hidden from her https://youtu.be/floPB8M7Wlg?t=1210
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Apr 16 2022 04:13pm
Quote (Talmid @ Apr 16 2022 05:10pm)
Here the governor addresses some concerns. https://youtu.be/floPB8M7Wlg?t=2041

Lady shares how curriculum was hidden from her https://youtu.be/floPB8M7Wlg?t=1210


You're free to move your goal post to a different subforum now.
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Apr 16 2022 04:28pm
Quote (Talmid @ Apr 16 2022 06:10pm)
Here the governor addresses some concerns. https://youtu.be/floPB8M7Wlg?t=2041

Lady shares how curriculum was hidden from her https://youtu.be/floPB8M7Wlg?t=1210


I'm not seeing any evidence or proof of the sexual indoctrination of a child.

More accurate titles for those videos would be:

Clueless governor answers questions that I can't hear because there is no microphone, about a bill he doesn't fully comprehend.

Karen wants to talk to the schools manager about their bathroom policy.
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Apr 16 2022 04:30pm
Quote (Subwoofer @ Apr 16 2022 06:13pm)
You're free to move your goal post to a different subforum now.


Thanks for conceding the issue. So, why are you saying that parents shouldn't be able to know about secret conversations that teachers and school administrators have with their children? This is especially damning because about 7% of students report to have been sexually harassed by a teacher or coach at some point.

https://childrenstreatmentcenter.com/sexual-abuse-teachers/
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Apr 16 2022 04:35pm
Quote (David_911 @ Apr 16 2022 06:01pm)
New to "PaRD"
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and youve made it clear youre only here to flame
welcome to PaRD, youre fitting right in bud
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Apr 16 2022 04:42pm
Here is another source. Roughly 10% of students will experience sexual misconduct before they graduate Highschool. Grooming is a large part of how this sexual misconduct happens and is not exposed. Secret conversations about sex need to stop now and to oppose that is to side with the predators.


https://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/sexual-misconduct-in-the-classroom-everything-you-need-to-know/
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Apr 16 2022 04:54pm
Quote (Talmid @ Apr 16 2022 06:42pm)
Here is another source. Roughly 10% of students will experience sexual misconduct before they graduate Highschool. Grooming is a large part of how this sexual misconduct happens and is not exposed. Secret conversations about sex need to stop now and to oppose that is to side with the predators.


https://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/sexual-misconduct-in-the-classroom-everything-you-need-to-know/


Isn't sexual abuse of minors actually statistically most likely to be perpetrated by a family member? In that statistically likely scenario the child would need to trust the teacher (mandatory state reporter) enough to tell the teacher about it. Would the teacher need to also report this to the family? I'd rather leave that to the police.
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Apr 16 2022 05:03pm
Quote (David_911 @ Apr 16 2022 06:54pm)
Isn't sexual abuse of minors actually statistically most likely to be perpetrated by a family member? In that statistically likely scenario the child would need to trust the teacher (mandatory state reporter) enough to tell the teacher about it. Would the teacher need to also report this to the family? I'd rather leave that to the police.


"In 2004, the U.S. Department of Education released a report that looked at sexual misconduct in the classroom. The report concluded that roughly 10 percent of students experience sexual misconduct by a teacher at some time during their K-12 school experience. Although the report is from 2004, various studies and media reports support its findings."

The bill does not stop mandatory reporting measures in any way. It is illegal for them to not report suspected abuse.

You are completely overlooking the 10% of kids that experience sexual misconduct from school staff.
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