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Mar 31 2022 01:12pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 31 2022 11:54am)
Depends how you define sound ;)

If you define it as "vibrations in the air" then it does. If you define sound as "the experience of vibrations in the air that results in the sensation of hearing" then no, because it requires somebody to experience the sound for it to exist.



Similarly, if there are no brains to create categories, do the categories still exist? I think the obvious answer is no.


Yes, but think of the action of the tree falling and making a loud thump. The definition of sound isn't relevant because there are no humans/brains in the vicinity of the tree falling to register it.

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I mean, is a noble gas still a noble gas even if no one is around to call it a noble gas? We call it a noble gas because of how it interacts with the universe, but even if we didnt call it a noble gas, it would still interact with the universe in exactly the same way. It is not a noble gas because society deems it so, it is merely the face sound we make to express the classification which we have observed.

Do electrons still bond with certain atoms in certain ways based on their characteristics? They categorize themselves based on their physical characteristics. Just because somebody isnt there to observe or classify it doesnt mean it isnt in its own class all on its own.


But they don't categorize themselves. They merely exist. In absence of somebody to call it a noble gas it will still react the same way, but it won't be part of a group. It'll just be a collection of electrons, protons, and neutrons.
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Yes, but think of the action of the tree falling and making a loud thump. The definition of sound isn't relevant because there are no humans/brains in the vicinity of the tree falling to register it.


The definition does matter. If we define sound as "pizza", then no, the tree doesn't make a sound.

If we define sound as vibrations, then it does. If we define sound as a subjective sensation of hearing, then it doesn't.
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The definition does matter. If we define sound as "pizza", then no, the tree doesn't make a sound.

If we define sound as vibrations, then it does. If we define sound as a subjective sensation of hearing, then it doesn't.


Yes, that's true, but at the same time, we can't ignore the objective reality of the object hitting the floor making a sound. Regardless of what we call it, it happens, and the sound is created naturally
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Yes, that's true, but at the same time, we can't ignore the objective reality of the object hitting the floor making a sound. Regardless of what we call it, it happens, and the sound is created naturally


Absolutely, which is why a rigorous definition of sound is necessary to answer the question. And that definition can change depending on what question you are asking.

An audiologist might define sound as the subjective sensation, and then have a subject report the sound they hear. However, to a microphone producer sound would likely just be the frequency, amplitude, and resolution of the waves produced by a device.

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Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 31 2022 07:27am)
brainwashed thinks one can only learn if they go to some institution. the square hat at "graduation" represent the box the mind it put into.................its also a mocking.



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Anyone can be anything.
Love is love.
Anyone can love anyone.
Kiddie love is normal and good.

That is EXACTLY where this is going.
Don't let anyone try to trick you into thinking it isn't.



the problem is in discerning between love and lust and innapropriate.

Quote (ChocolateCoveredGummyBears @ Mar 31 2022 12:12pm)
Yes, but think of the action of the tree falling and making a loud thump. The definition of sound isn't relevant because there are no humans/brains in the vicinity of the tree falling to register it.



well don't you atheists believe that evolving bacteria :rolleyes: is your god so doesnt the bacteria hear it?

Inb4 :hail:
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 31 2022 02:12pm)
Give it time. Venture capital meetings have started with the team. :)

Back on subject, nature creates things we describe as males, but it doesn't set out to create males. It doesn't set out to create anything at all. It merely does. We can recognize that people can generally be sorted into two groups, but nature never sought out to be able to sort us into two groups, and our recognition that humasn can generally be sorted into groups doesn't change that.


why does nature's intent or lack thereof matter in this context?
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Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 31 2022 02:29pm)
why does nature's intent or lack thereof matter in this context?


Because if it's just happenstance you can't really say nature made categories. It just did a thing and then we imposed the category after the fact.

If I throw marbles on the floor they aren't automatically categorized into "on the rug" or "under the table". That's me describing them as such after the fact. Until I do that they're just marbles that landed in random locations.

There are infinitely many ways to categorize things. We choose the ones to impose.

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 31 2022 01:12pm)
Give it time. Venture capital meetings have started with the team. :)

Back on subject, nature creates things we describe as males, but it doesn't set out to create males. It doesn't set out to create anything at all. It merely does. We can recognize that people can generally be sorted into two groups, but nature never sought out to be able to sort us into two groups, and our recognition that humasn can generally be sorted into groups doesn't change that.


Just because nature didnt seek out to create two genders doesnt mean that it didnt create two genders. Nature doesnt seek anything out, and yet, the classifications are innate because they are based on the characteristics of itself.
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Just because nature didnt seek out to create two genders doesnt mean that it didnt create two genders. Nature doesnt seek anything out, and yet, the classifications are innate because they are based on the characteristics of itself.


Imagine I throw marbles in a box. And say "nature created L marbles and R marbles based on if they landed on the left or right side.

You come along and say "no, it made tops and bottoms based on top and bottom half"

John comes along and says "actually it was just random and nature didn't create any categories"

Who's right?

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