Quote (Mondain @ Mar 24 2022 06:08am)

So you've convinced yourself that the sky is not blue, why should I care.



I like ravens I couldn't resist, sorry.

Also religion dates back further than Oden and Norse. I don't think You understood the point of the cartoon.

Ancient religion is something that I have studies and I see many modern day religions are just rebranded ancient religions.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 24 2022 05:08pm)

The reason is actually very simple. There are a lot of philosophical answers that aren’t answered.

Why are you alive? What’s the point of life? Where do you come from? What happens after death? What is the catalyst for the Big Bang (assuming that theory is real)? And on and on. Here I’m obviously not talking the biological or physical factors but the philosophical questions.

Why do we have consciousness and have developed views on morality and right and wrong? Even when looking at cultures that had never contact with each other they have similar such complex concepts.

Biology and most science has no answers to these type of questions.

Quote (Modulok2405 @ Mar 24 2022 08:09am)

I dont have to deduce anything. Its not me claiming something. If you see divine intelligence behind those things its on you to prove it.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 24 2022 12:13pm)

Biology and science has very simple answers to where we come from and why we developed a moral system. So you aren't entirely correct.

However, even if we assume you are correct, that's just god of the gaps. If you are willing to accept fallacious reasoning then you can be convinced of most anything.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 24 2022 06:19am)

I wouldn't describe the world we live in as a masterpiece. It seems pretty sloppy.

Quote (Modulok2405 @ Mar 24 2022 06:30am)

You cant believe something because its beneficial to you. Thats where the problems start. Believing is not something you can choose to do.

The reason for believing something, has to be evidential to make sense. Thats how our world works - except for Religion.
Thats what fascinates me about that question.
God is such a strong example of wishful thinking. People do not want to die, they also dont want to be responsable for anything at all. God gives so much comfort that they try to be convinced about it at all cost. Absolutely fascinating.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 24 2022 06:33am)

Even if I accept that (I don't) it doesn't really answer the question. Even very simple things like the fact that we breathe through the same hold we swallow through is sloppy. God's design is crap if God designed the universe.

Quote (Modulok2405 @ Mar 24 2022 06:36am)

Because the lack of any objective evidence? Usually people believe things because they have evidence, like for example if they win the lottery, they believe it when the money is on their bank account or because the answer is extremely plausible like if I say to you I am 38. You probably believe me, because - as you said - why not? There is plenty of 38 year olds, so the claim isnt very much out of the ordinary, its nothing special so to say.

God on the other hand is a VERY extraordinary claim.

There is no objective evidence for him, so thats out of the question.

Also its not like there are gods everywhere and you just look at them or call them or anything, so you wouldnt just believe it randomly.
So my question as an atheist is, why do believers believe?
If all they come up with is personal, unverifiable experiences, than there is no reason to believe in god at all.

Quote (IgoSoHard @ Mar 24 2022 06:41am)

For the same reason anyone believes in anything. Faith & evidence

Quote (Ghot @ Mar 24 2022 06:45am)

I have trouble with "I believe in science, but only where it doesn't interfere with my belief in god". :/

Quote (Ghot @ Mar 24 2022 06:52am)

My favorite non-sequitur is the 5th commandment, Thou shalt not kill. Yet religions have been responsible for more killing than even 20th century warfare could achieve.

Quote (Ghot @ Mar 24 2022 06:58am)

Current religious beliefs:

1. Science is true, unless it disagrees with my religious beliefs.
2. Thou shalt not kill, unless we're doing the killing.
3. Anytime someone says: god, soul, heart, hell, holy, etc., they must believe in god.
4. God is omnipotent, except when we have to help him out. (see #2)
5. God is all knowing, except when we have to help him out. (see #2)


Sounds too pat by half. ^^