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Jan 10 2022 04:59pm
Quote (Skinned @ 10 Jan 2022 23:06)
Not to mention his opponent's strategy of talking nonstop about Hunter Biden's dick exclusively two weeks prior to the casting of the votes.

I knew it was over for Trump when that shit was the best closing pitch his campaign could come up with.
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Jan 10 2022 06:06pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 10 2022 05:59pm)
I knew it was over for Trump when that shit was the best closing pitch his campaign could come up with.


Of course people cared about Hunter Biden.

Just look at the amount of people who mailed in votes that said they would have changed their vote if they knew about Hunter Biden beforehand. The media just cast a massive web of propaganda, partially fueled by Big-Pharma's hatred of Trump
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Jan 10 2022 06:08pm
The left and maybe Biden have an extraordinary ability to fuck shit up. Its their super power. Shouldn't leave them alone with a goat.

This is by design ofc. Tired of swapping dirty underwear every election. They all stink.
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Jan 10 2022 06:23pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 10 2022 04:47pm)
Sorry, but I think the bolded part is completely deluded. When Obama entered office, he had a wide margin in the House and 58 seats in the Senate, which later expanded to the only filibuster-proof majority any party has had in that chamber during our lifetime.


Today, we're talking about a very different, more ideologically streamlined and radical Democratic party than back in 2009. They are still reeling from the trauma of 2016 and four years of Trump, influenced by an ever growing progressive caucus which has become triple digits strong. Give this party the same amount of wiggle room Obama had and you get a $10 trillion spending package, HR1 signed into law 1 week after inauguration, a packed Supreme Court and federal judiciary, full-blown amnesty including a fast-track to citizenship, the complete federalization of national elections, a massive hollowing out of the 2nd amendment as well as sweeping "hate speech" legislation to punish any wrongthink. And probably some overzealous climate legislation and zany shit like reparations to the Taliban or 100% federal cost coverage for third-trimester abortions.

If they end up with 55-58 votes in the Senate instead of 60, they probably go nuclear and then pass all of the above.
From a liberal pov, Biden could and should have achieved more than he did, but we must be realistic and acknowledge that he came from a fundamentally different starting position than Obama.


I think there's more to being dealt a hand than just the partisan numbers in congress. Obama inherited two increasingly unpopular yet entrenched wars, an unstable mideast, an economy that had just blown up catastrophically, recoveries from national disasters, north korea and iran rushing towards nuclear weapons, guantanamo, terrorism paranoia, etc etc. Sure, Obama had a better position to be able to launch the policies he wanted, but those policies were responses to the failures waiting for him when he took the oval office. Obama had the voter's mandate to tackle the failed state of health insurance in America, but that was an issue with no easy solution. That partisan filibuster-proof majority was enough to summon Obamacare into its tortured, twisted abomination of an existence. They had the freedom to pass any healthcare policy they wanted, and they passed a bill that promised it would make healthcare more affordable and let you keep your doctor. Instead it imploded the markets at state levels and skyrocketed costs until they started pumping debt into risk corridors to prop it up artificially. Sure it was a failure of policymaking, but that was a failed attempt at solving an intractable problem that existed before Obama took office, like the whole HMO situation.

I don't think its a real fair criticism of Obama to say he had everything handed to him on a silver platter and then bungled it. He took over the country at a very low point and inched it upwards and then hit a wall and stagnated- in terms of economy, foreign and domestic policy and the health of political discourse. Remember that when Trump won the election, his main criticism of his predecessor was that Obama had overseen the "slowest recovery". If Obama had it easy from the start, it wouldn't be a recovery. But I do think its still fair to say Obama bungled what he was given. Where the Bush Doctrine was drunken, bullheaded unilateralism that crashed recklessly, the Obama Doctrine was carefully considered dispassionate maneuvering that steered us confidently into every tree.
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Jan 10 2022 06:47pm
Quote (addone @ 11 Jan 2022 00:08)
The left and maybe Biden have an extraordinary ability to fuck shit up. Its their super power. Shouldn't leave them alone with a goat.

This is by design ofc. Tired of swapping dirty underwear every election. They all stink.


You means like nixon, bushes, or trump ?
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Jan 10 2022 06:58pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 10 2022 07:06pm)
Of course people cared about Hunter Biden.

Just look at the amount of people who mailed in votes that said they would have changed their vote if they knew about Hunter Biden beforehand. The media just cast a massive web of propaganda, partially fueled by Big-Pharma's hatred of Trump


lol moar copium plz
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Jan 10 2022 07:39pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Jan 11 2022 05:26am)
All the corps went BLM

LEFTIES HAVE
the corporations.
TV
major part of social media
sports
hollywood

am i missing any thing?



Corporations don’t believe in those ideals, they’re paid by their advertisers to show those things they don’t really care either way
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Jan 10 2022 07:40pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 11 Jan 2022 01:23)
I think there's more to being dealt a hand than just the partisan numbers in congress. Obama inherited two increasingly unpopular yet entrenched wars, an unstable mideast, an economy that had just blown up catastrophically, recoveries from national disasters, north korea and iran rushing towards nuclear weapons, guantanamo, terrorism paranoia, etc etc. Sure, Obama had a better position to be able to launch the policies he wanted, but those policies were responses to the failures waiting for him when he took the oval office. Obama had the voter's mandate to tackle the failed state of health insurance in America, but that was an issue with no easy solution. That partisan filibuster-proof majority was enough to summon Obamacare into its tortured, twisted abomination of an existence. They had the freedom to pass any healthcare policy they wanted, and they passed a bill that promised it would make healthcare more affordable and let you keep your doctor. Instead it imploded the markets at state levels and skyrocketed costs until they started pumping debt into risk corridors to prop it up artificially. Sure it was a failure of policymaking, but that was a failed attempt at solving an intractable problem that existed before Obama took office, like the whole HMO situation.

I don't think its a real fair criticism of Obama to say he had everything handed to him on a silver platter and then bungled it. He took over the country at a very low point and inched it upwards and then hit a wall and stagnated- in terms of economy, foreign and domestic policy and the health of political discourse. Remember that when Trump won the election, his main criticism of his predecessor was that Obama had overseen the "slowest recovery". If Obama had it easy from the start, it wouldn't be a recovery. But I do think its still fair to say Obama bungled what he was given. Where the Bush Doctrine was drunken, bullheaded unilateralism that crashed recklessly, the Obama Doctrine was carefully considered dispassionate maneuvering that steered us confidently into every tree.


That's fair, I guess. The point I wanted to make wasn't that Obama had it easy and dropped the ball all that much. Obama took over the country in a shambolic state, but with wide congressional margins. Biden took over the country in a far more solid state when we look at the fundamentals (excluding the economic impact of lockdowns, which aren't indicative of anything being wrong with the economy), but with far less congressional wiggle room.

Against this backdrop and within the context of the debate over a lack of presidential policy achievements, I had to disagree with your notion that Obama faced a lot of obstruction too and was dealt a similarly bad hand as Biden. When it comes specifically to passing big bold legislation or invoking fundamental change, Obama was in a better position than Biden. Particularly when we keep in mind the mandates they got. The 2008 election was basically the electorate saying "FUCK BUSHISM (and fuck Clintonite centrist policies too)" while 2020 was the electorate saying "yes, Trump has to go" while decidedly refusing to give Democrats the mandate/majorities for big bold change that they were seeking.






Side note: let's not kid ourselves, when Trump propelled the birther movement in 2011, he wasn't motivated by sluggish GDP growth. His true main criticism of Obama was not the "slowest recovery", it was "the audacity of hope upending the racial hierarchy".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 10 2022 07:42pm
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Jan 10 2022 07:51pm
thread about a useless Biden (as he always was for 4+ decades in a govt-paid position) turned into a discussion about Trump. some things never change here
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Jan 10 2022 08:33pm
Quote (SSBBWGiantessLover @ Jan 10 2022 05:39pm)
Corporations don’t believe in those ideals, they’re paid by their advertisers to show those things they don’t really care either way


they fell right in line with the lefties is all that matters

Quote (excellence @ Jan 10 2022 05:51pm)
thread about a useless Biden (as he always was for 4+ decades in a govt-paid position) turned into a discussion about Trump. some things never change here


TDS gets them every time
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