Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 24 2021 07:10am)
Yeah, I was wrong about the "as long as he would have been alive one second later" claim. I was being hyperbolic. You don't need bruises on a neck when your patient has an egg shell skull, which is what your claim rested on.
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 24 2021 07:23am)
Floyd had an eggshell skull. He probably would have died later, but the cause of his death in that moment was Chauvin's knee. It is obvious based on the preponderance of evidence, and the only way you can argue otherwise is by stretching all of your arguments to their absolute breaking point.
I feel like I've made my point to pretty much every observer. You're stretching every argument to its absolute breaking point. Even Chauvin's lawyers knew he would get manslaughter. Cops do not plead out when they have a strong case like you are saying they do.
To loop back to the beginning, what you do need is evidence that action was a causal factor at all before you can establish it as the sole proximate cause or the but-for cause with no interceding causes or a substantial co-cause or even an acceleratory cause for that matter. Even for the lowest bar of causation, you'd still need some evidence that the action had an effect. And notably, the Chauvin case involved no physical evidence of that. No indications of any force used at all in the autopsy, and the absence of any of the telltale markings that would be present if even a moderate amount of force was used, let alone the deadly force needed to kill someone. Floyd was turning his head and talking unimpeded, and clearly breathing. There was evidence against their case, and none for it. So the state had to construct the goldilocks theory of "just enough force to deprive floyd of air, but not enough to leave a mark". But as I have stressed, this is a theory in spite of evidence, one not supported by any evidence, only invented to explain a narrow path between pieces of evidence that exclude the far more probable scenarios. And that's where we started this.
Causation needs evidence, just like actus reas and mens reas and harm. Although to be honest, 'harm' is a pretty easy one in a murder trial, except I guess cases like Jimmy Hoffa. As long as you have the body...
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 24 2021 07:25am)
I was surprised he got the full conviction. I knew manslaughter was a slam dunk, as did pretty much every reasonable poster here, but I wasn't sure how they'd find on what his specific intentions were.
I on the other hand wasn't surprised. Its like the Potter case here. For the state's argument to work at all, you need to embrace the sheer absurdity that using a taser- not a gun- was already an illegal and justified criminal assault on wright. Which only a moron could rationalize, because its so plainly obvious to any sane person that a fleeing dangerous criminal trying to drive away with cops partway into his vehicle is every justification required to deploy a taser. But Minneapolis is an entire city of morons, its Ilhan Omar's district
This post was edited by Goomshill on Dec 24 2021 07:31am