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Dec 16 2021 09:37am
Here is what it boils down to.
Do I support succession? Yes
Do I want to own slaves? No

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Dec 16 2021 09:39am
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the united states colonies did not ratify legally an english constitution, because one didnt exist.

the southern states that were colonies did, and each state that joined the union thereafter via ratification of the constitution and each state's constitution did.

you can join with the approval of the existing states, and can only leave by unanimous approval of the existing states. the confederacy chose to try and leave without approval of the other states, make currency of their own without the approval of the Federal govt and against the laws of the constitution, and then create a new government seat for their new illegal govt.

even if u somehow misconstrue history into the war being one of Northern aggression, the aggression itself was legal. the north and remaining US federal govt was required by law to bring the south back into the union. just as if you refused to pay taxes and tried to start your own country within the USA the federal govt would be justified to infiltrate with force if required and take you to federal prison.


the issue with your perspective and those like you is you cite history of the confederacy and respect of the constitution, and you dont know the history or legality of either.

you'd be better off calling the constitution unfair, the laws which bind the union's states unfair, and claiming it SHOULD BE, but not IS, legal for states to withdraw alone or in a confederacy. but instead you double down with a false equivalency involving English tyranny?


You speak like someone who thinks George Washington was the first president.

edit: also the constitution grants nothing and never has.
We hold these truths to be self evident.

This post was edited by sirthom on Dec 16 2021 09:41am
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Dec 16 2021 09:40am
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You speak like someone who thinks George Washington was the first president.


you respond like someone who didnt bother to read or take in what im saying. i gift wrapped you a perfectly logical perspective, but instead you'll continue supporting institutions like the constitution and supreme court, while ignoring what they actually say.

George Washington was the first president under the constitution after ratification by the colonies after the declaration of independence and following war we fought to gain that independence. and thats the topic we're discussing.
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Dec 16 2021 09:46am
Quote (sirthom @ Dec 16 2021 09:37am)
Here is what it boils down to.
Do I support succession? Yes
Do I want to own slaves? No



Succession is a pretty good TV show, I will give you that.

Unless you mean secession? As in what the southern states did when they got sad about the slavery.
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Dec 16 2021 09:48am
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Succession is a pretty good TV show, I will give you that.

Unless you mean secession? As in what the southern states did when they got sad about the slavery.


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Dec 16 2021 09:51am
Quote (sirthom @ Dec 16 2021 09:48am)
You are way better than my current spell checker.
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Sure. I only take confederate money though.
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Dec 16 2021 09:53am
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Sure. I only take confederate money though.


Shit, civil war memorabilia is super expensive, pass.
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Dec 16 2021 10:02am
Quote (sirthom @ Dec 16 2021 10:53am)
Shit, civil war memorabilia is super expensive, pass.


plenty of mid 1900s fakes of confederate currency u can get thats dirt cheap. so common my history professor told his class "dont bother to bring any in, its all fake and ur grandpa bought it at a gift shop". then i brought in actual bills which was fun.
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Dec 16 2021 10:21am
Quote (sirthom @ Dec 16 2021 09:37am)
Here is what it boils down to.
Do I support succession? Yes
Do I want to own slaves? No


That's fine. You can personally hold that belief.

But please don't pretend secession wasn't because of slavery just because you personally have a different reason. It was overwhelmingly organized by the slave owning elite in the south to prevent their slaves being freed. The states went out of their way to identify their cause with both the institution of slavery, and with their superiority over blacks. The soldiers overwhelmingly felt their cause was one of racial superiority, and slave owners were massively over represented in the confederate military because of that.

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