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Dec 11 2021 01:26pm

Quote (LouisLeGros @ Dec 11 2021 11:07am)

Yeah comedian after comedian doing bits about being cancelled, while being promoted on major platforms, and I'm the one who is a sheep for finding it to be tired hack material. Is there any topic that we won't find you parroting the typical Shapiro/Crowder talking points on?

Also saying his material on transgender people is problematic and not generally not funny does not mean we hate him.

You think Shapiro and Crowder are the centerpieces of right wing populist culture? Most of us view them as milquetoast gatekeepers who toe the line just enough to stay in business. EVEN THEN, Crowder is indeed getting cancelled in various places, and shadowbanned in others, despite being a fence sitter.

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Dec 11 2021 01:37pm

Quote (chopstickz777 @ 11 Dec 2021 11:24)

So anything you don't want to hear is a Shapiro/Crowder talking point. Got it.

These comedians wouldn't be doing bits about being canceled in the first place if the cancel culture mob wasn't deeply unpopular, which they are. They are little more than a vocal minority that considers their snowflake feelings to be more important than everything else, and that their feelings mean everyone else has to be censored. Wrong. That isn't how the world works, and people who subscribe to that need to grow up.

If you consider calling out delusional people for being delusional "problematic", then I guess you could consider Chapelle's opinions problematic. But I don't think so. And luckily, the non-vocal majority would agree with that assessment.

Conservatives are the leaders in cancel culture and have been for a long time. Also even if the particularly flavor of the 'woke' cancel culture mob is deeply unpopular, which yeah it is unpopular, doesn't mean the 200th 'comedy' special on it is good, funny, and not tired.

Also good one on trying to portray those people 'calling out' trans people as 'delusional' as non-vocal, if anything they can't shut the fuck up about it and and my entire point is largely that the 'comedy' parroting these views points are largely the same and the only thing worse than a bad joke is one that has been repeated a million times.

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Dec 11 2021 01:47pm

Quote (Nibthebarb @ 11 Dec 2021 11:26)

Crowder gets 'cancelled' because he is a deliberate shock jock that peddles in bigoted and racist material all the time and corporate sponsors don't like putting up with that shit and having it on platforms that they are paying to advertise on.

Also the online conservative talking points are pretty cohesive & coordinated, so no matter where it is from it is pretty easy to get a grasp on what conservatives are going to parroting. Some like Shapiro are going to be a little more principled on certain topics and cognizant of media acceptability, so he may stray a little away from the narrative path. However, you watch/read one and you'll pretty much know the direction they all are going to be going. So my point was more like chopstickz never makes a posts where I'm like, hmm that is an interesting and original take that isn't in 100% agreeance with typical alt-right grift.

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Dec 11 2021 01:55pm

Quote (LouisLeGros @ Dec 11 2021 02:26pm)

I contend that he is not pointing out realities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9-rztj2Hbo

In his special I am not contending that he has said things that are mean spirited and deliberately hateful. My point is more so that the things he is saying about trans people are misguided and hacky and generally aligns with messaging of transphobes.
Also good comedy is different than simply critiquing a group. Doing critiques of marginalized communities is a difficult line to ride while still being funny. I'm contending that a lot of his recent material on trans people is not even really even coming off as attempts at humor and is more like old man ranting (like he is trying to be like Geroge Carlin, but not doing it as well). I mean there was a joke or something that ended on a punchline or something of like imposs-a-pussy that was decent, doing jokes about trans people or at the expense of trans people is fine... its just kind of tiring with how much of the 'comedy' is the same joke or just mean spirited punching down that doesn't really make any poignant observations of the trans experience.

Dave made his career on doing transgressive comedy focusing on marginalized communities that hit hard with poignant observations. He kind of quit for a long time because he perceived that a lot of the audience wasn't really taking in the poignant observations he was trying to convey and were consuming it for the transgressive nature against the marginalized communities. With his trans jokes I'm kind of disappointed in him because I feel like he is making transgressive comedy focusing on a different marginalized community, but this time he is the one that is missing the poignant observations and not seeing that people are consuming it because of its transgressive nature against a different marginalized community.

It looks like you don’t find him funny and therefore he isn’t coming at the situation from the standpoint of a comedian trying to be funny. I mean you don’t have to agree something is funny, but saying he is just trying to bitch about or punch down people is just unfair.

I am trying very hard to ignore the lesson on radical gender theory, good job squeezing that bit in there >_>

So are comedians allowed to make jokes about anybody who may be offended, or about somebody who has at any time been marginalized?

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Dec 11 2021 02:04pm

Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ 11 Dec 2021 11:55)

So are comedians allowed to make jokes about anybody who may be offended, or about somebody who has at any time been marginalized?

Of course, I explicitly said in that very post that they can make jokes about trans people and I pointed out how Dave made his career as a very well regarded comedian with his offensive material on marginalized people.
Comedians can make jokes about anything and just because someone criticizes the comedy doesn't mean the comics aren't allowed to perform it.

That is part of why I find the comedians doing 'jokes' about being cancelled so tired. They are just complaining about being critiqued in a manner almost like they are trying to silence the critiques while being oblivious of the ramifications. Also you never see them coming to the defense of someone like Kathy Griffin who got canceled for a bad joke.

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Dec 11 2021 02:22pm

Quote (LouisLeGros @ Dec 11 2021 03:04pm)

I agree with you there, jokes about being cancelled is what makes him sound like an old man complaining on the stage. It is still pathetic how you can’t say women have vaginas without thousands of people trying to end your career. Whether or not he has already made millions is irrelevant. Imaging if he started his sketch show today, he would have never even been signed and we wouldn’t have Dave Chappell. Sorry but I think that is pathetic.

The line is just too blurry now. We used to agree on white people can’t use the n word. That was pretty much the line. Now there is some shady diagram (not really but) which explains which groups are allowed to say things about other groups, and who is allowed to be justifiably angry if somebody crosses the line. That is not okay, and is blatant inequality.

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