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We live in an age where the cartels are still strong. Weve almost entirely stopped enforcing trust laws so big business just keeps absorbing each other and get less competitive.


That I can agree on and monopoly/duopoly/cartel is generally bad idea. However looking and demanding quality isn't. For instance the products I returned most of which were for wrong size usually those companies/sellers have built a relationship. Just to give example I found these great high quality pants that were sold out very fast during the lock down, the demand was really high for them. So now I have the store email or call me because they just placed a big order with the manufacturer for their great product. And it's their fastest selling pants line. Win
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Sounds like the workers aren't losing much by getting fired. The job was ass anyway and Kellogs is gonna lose a lot of money in the mean time to onboarding new employees.

Sounds like a lose-lose situation honestly. I imagine their automation game is already on point so I question how much they can add to the automation process while staying within sanitary requirements and such.


The products they're making being produced by scabs are so bad, they have a lot of bugs in them, larvae, stuff in the food that isn't food, it is hilarious. They are posting a lot of that on twitter.

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The products they're making being produced by scabs are so bad, they have a lot of bugs in them, larvae, stuff in the food that isn't food, it is hilarious. They are posting a lot of that on twitter.


It's a lose lose lose situation indeed. Bad products, shitty company, employees trying to stay because the only job they know is how to put cereal into a box, diabetes wins.

Oh well, when I see a fat ass a spoon full away from kidney transplant reaching for a Kellogg's I find myself thinking "you get what you deserve" let covid take another one due to weakened immune system.
Life has a way of working itself out

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Corporations line pockets of those who invest also, which is many people. They innovate and create progress. Without them people would be stuck in Amish paradise.
Western workers don't appreciate the hirachy of a company's interests. They are there to help it grow and expand even if it means making their positions redundant. Instead they hold a company hostage and put on a scene. No wonder all the work goes overseas and to the migrants.



Social safety nets are killing motivation. There are hoards of unproductive bums to take advantage of such gesture. Originally they were designed for those who really needed them to catch them if they fall, now we have people swinging on them.

Capitalism dictates there is no free lunch, you must contribute. Communism/socialism says there is a buffet forever but eventually the food runs out because people forget what you put in you get out.


So what you are saying is you want no unions, full automation and no social programs..
Possibly the worst take ever posted here, you know you would not survive your ideals right?
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It's a lose lose lose situation indeed. Bad products, shitty company, employees trying to stay because the only job they know is how to put cereal into a box, diabetes wins.

Oh well, when I see a fat ass a spoon full away from kidney transplant reaching for a Kellogg's I find myself thinking "you get what you deserve" let covid take another one due to weakened immune system.
Life has a way of working itself out


In this case it was a win-lose, where the union won and Kellogs lost handily.
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Dec 22 2021 08:18pm
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In this case it was a win-lose, where the union won and Kellogs lost handily.


Hollow victory is no win. Sure they are patting themselves on the back right now but unhealthy relationship they kept from dissolving will later manifest itself in other ways. Should of just ripped off the bandaid got their pay and quit. Now we have a corporation that is going to keep manufacturing diabetes for another 10 years.

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So what you are saying is you want no unions, full automation and no social programs..
Possibly the worst take ever posted here, you know you would not survive your ideals right?


Those are your words not mine. Don't think of me like some kind of black and white extremist. I think Social programs need to tighten up its eligibility criteria. No more "my uncle touched me 20 years ago and now I am entitled to free money". As a whole they are necessary part of a healthy society.
Unions are not generally bad they have a purpose, but mostly they are utilised by the entitled. They are couples therapy and marriage lawyers all rolled into one except they represent the worker rather being an impartial councillor. Where are the unions for business owners? They are people too. I just don't think it's a healthy approach.
Full automation isn't applicable to every job and as far as I know it complements the human element. But why would you not want that? Are you some kind of stoic traditionalist who wants everyone to get their water from the river with 2 buckets over a stick. No thanks you can join Amish village and churn your butter while I get mine from the supermarket.
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Hollow victory is no win. Sure they are patting themselves on the back right now but unhealthy relationship they kept from dissolving will later manifest itself in other ways. Should of just ripped off the bandaid got their pay and quit. Now we have a corporation that is going to keep manufacturing diabetes for another 10 years.



Those are your words not mine. Don't think of me like some kind of black and white extremist. I think Social programs need to tighten up its eligibility criteria. No more "my uncle touched me 20 years ago and now I am entitled to free money". As a whole they are necessary part of a healthy society.
Unions are not generally bad they have a purpose, but mostly they are utilised by the entitled. They are couples therapy and marriage lawyers all rolled into one except they represent the worker rather being an impartial councillor. Where are the unions for business owners? They are people too. I just don't think it's a healthy approach.
Full automation isn't applicable to every job and as far as I know it complements the human element. But why would you not want that? Are you some kind of stoic traditionalist who wants everyone to get their water from the river with 2 buckets over a stick. No thanks you can join Amish village and churn your butter while I get mine from the supermarket.


What you are supporting is corporate communism, and none of your ideals work together, you want everyone both unemployed, unable to organise better work conditions and unable to gain social help.. traditionally this only ends one way, ask all the landlords of china or the russian olicharchs how this worked out for them.
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Hollow victory is no win. Sure they are patting themselves on the back right now but unhealthy relationship they kept from dissolving will later manifest itself in other ways. Should of just ripped off the bandaid got their pay and quit. Now we have a corporation that is going to keep manufacturing diabetes for another 10 years.


There is no damaged relationship here. Unions are always oppositional to their corporations.
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What you are supporting is corporate communism, and none of your ideals work together, you want everyone both unemployed, unable to organise better work conditions and unable to gain social help.. traditionally this only ends one way, ask all the landlords of china or the russian olicharchs how this worked out for them.


How is what I am saying corporate communism? Again you thinking black and white. I am for automation where it makes sense. Our ancestors only dreamt of having to outsource the meanial mundane tasks and now we can replace those checkout operators and factory drones. This opens up opportunities for people to work on creative side of things.
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