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#141
Dec 3 2021 07:09pm
Quote (Karl @ Dec 3 2021 07:01pm)
Bacteria is life on Mars but a heartbeat isn't life on Earth. Weird.


Issue is personhood, not life
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#142
Dec 3 2021 07:20pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 3 2021 08:09pm)
Issue is personhood, not life


Ima start a go fund me.

Thor's 4th trimester abortion fund.
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#143
Dec 3 2021 07:37pm
Quote (EA7 @ Dec 3 2021 05:29pm)
Oh no, a woman can't mindlessly get pregnant, let a baby grow to 8 months and 29 days, then kill it. What a tragedy.

Don't give me crap about "BUT WHAT ABOUT IF SHE WAS RAPED". It's never going to be outlawed in those circumstances.


The percentage of abortions that happen in circumstances like that is negligible, at the very best.
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#144
Dec 3 2021 07:42pm
Quote (Karl @ Dec 3 2021 07:01pm)
Bacteria is life on Mars but a heartbeat isn't life on Earth. Weird.


A lack of a heartbeat is not the determinant of death. Lack of brain activity is. Why people go on about it being the determinant of life is foolish. Besides, in the early weeks of gestation (6-10 weeks) the "heartbeat is actually sounds from the ultrasound itself.
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#145
Dec 3 2021 07:51pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Dec 3 2021 08:42pm)
A lack of a heartbeat is not the determinant of death. Lack of brain activity is. Why people go on about it being the determinant of life is foolish. Besides, in the early weeks of gestation (6-10 weeks) the "heartbeat is actually sounds from the ultrasound itself.



Death at its most literal definition is the end of a life.

There is no way one could argue an unborn human is “dead”. We would all be fucking zombies.
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#146
Dec 3 2021 08:07pm
Nothing like a video game board filled with 95%+ men arguing about how to regulate women's bodies.

Never change pard.
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#147
Dec 3 2021 08:09pm
Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ Dec 3 2021 07:51pm)
Death at its most literal definition is the end of a life.

There is no way one could argue an unborn human is “dead”. We would all be fucking zombies.


That's not the point I'm making. The point is that many people argue that the heartbeat is the initial sign of life, which is counter to how the end of life is measured (by lack of brain activity, not lack of heartbeat). It's an inconsistent argument (which doesn't surprise me).
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#148
Dec 3 2021 08:22pm
Quote (Skinned @ Dec 3 2021 08:00am)
I don't think this is comparable. Dred Scott takes away rights from humans, this movement takes rights from humans as well.



We are talking about the first two trimesters here, so there isn't a baby. Roe v Wade allows states to ban abortion after 15 weeks, and declares anytime in the first trimester as a private health decision. The newest laws make abortion a felony after 7 weeks, which is before most women know they are pregnant and before there is any identifiable baby. It is unreasonable and extremely religiously authoritarian.

This is deeply troubling as this is all based on supernatural and superstitious beliefs like a Christian immortal soul and not a mind that is emergent from a body or brain. Now we are legislating based on supernatural beliefs and blocking safe and available medical procedures that are private health decisions.

This is a great triumph for patriarchy I suppose, in a long tradition of women being men's property and being told how they're allowed to live and breed by them and men just being right.

Off to work.


Abortion is murder, God doesn't make mistakes, It's that simple.
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#149
Dec 3 2021 08:29pm
Quote (Santara @ Dec 3 2021 06:26am)
Overturning Dred Scott restored rights to people.

Overturning Roe v Wade will restore rights to people.


Is there a way to intervene/prevent an intended abortion that doesn't violate the NAP?
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#150
Dec 3 2021 08:30pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 3 2021 07:00am)
Prior to 23 weeks it isn't a person.

So... No


What confers personhood at 23 weeks?
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