We do not need to rely on the experience of a handful of American states to say that communist economic policies have a poor track record. Neither the Soviet Union nor the CCP faced a serious threat of regime change. The former experienced stagnation and then collapse, the latter identified the problem, i.e. communism, and exorcised it. Vietnam has quietly done the same thing. North Korea liberalized economic markets after the collapse of their command economy in the 1990s. Cuba itself was forced to liberalize economically after Soviet aid was cut-off. The evidence is clear, Marxist economics do not achieve desirable results.

The United States went to war against fascist Germany because it did not want to end up as a democratic island surrounded by fascist states. The war against Communism is the logical extension of that. But of course, nations act in their own best interest, and the United States is no different, nor would I expect (or want) it to be.

Capitalism to the rescue ... with internet
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-reviewing-whether-it-can-help-restore-internet-access-cuba-2021-07-15/
WASHINGTON, July 15 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden said on Thursday the White House is reviewing whether the United States can help Cubans regain internet access in the wake of Cuban government actions following the biggest anti-government protests in decades.

Cuba's government has restricted access to social media and messaging platforms including Facebook and WhatsApp amid the protests, according to global internet monitoring firm NetBlocks. read more

"They've cut off access to the internet. We're considering whether we have the technological ability to reinstate that access," Biden said Thursday at a press conference.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, a Republican, and U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Robert Menendez, a Democrat, are among those who have called on Biden's administration to try to reconnect Cuba to internet services.

I’d like to point out that at the end of the 1800s America did 12-16 hour shifts in many places, and China followed suit after industrialization.

Sweatshop workers in China are not working 10 hour days.
In normal conditions they’re working 12 hours a day, 7 days a week (comparable to many factories and warehouses in America) but many of them force people to work for 1-3 days in a row without time off, sometimes by force.

And no, you would not rather work in a sweatshop

China is more capitalist than the United States.

still think i'd take the sweat shop logically, and im very well versed with subsistence farming. the average joe would just die if they tried to farm to live on 20 acres somewhere in the 1800s. zero chance they make it.

Real communism has been tried - the creator was always assassinated by the dictator who took it over.

The fatal flaw of communism ("real" or fascistic) is that it just doesn't appeal to or ever survive human nature. Communism is a machine's ideology and could only truly work in a world where people were content to give everything for nothing - humans just don't work that way.


Even in the most ideal situation with the most benevolent dictator leading a communist regime, you would still have the problem of people not really even caring to work, because why spend 11 years becoming a doctor when you could make the same wage being a burger flipper?

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Jul 19 2021 07:41am

Communism can only work in some StarTrek-like distant, high-tech future where human population and the consumption of natural resources have been brought into a stable, long-term equilibrium, all of mankind has gotten to a "first world" standard of living and machines do virtually all the work for us, so that the average person only has to work something like sub-10 hours a week.

A classless society can only function once mankind has gotten so wealthy that at least the material side of things is no problem for anyone anymore. And even then it's no guarantee due to the greedy, petty nature of humans.

The cynical side of me would point out that we sort of already are in that futuristic and wealthy existence in comparison to where we've come from - like the people of the dark ages must have thought "Man, if only we could at least cure disease and feed everyone - humanity would really get their act together then."

But I think I agree that by the time we hit the Star Trek phase of society, we will be far beyond the petty racial and class warfare shit we're seeing right now - at least I would hope so. By that time, there would be so much more to think about than the nonsense we get tied up in on Earth today. I think we just need bigger problems to keep us busy and working together - an alien invasion would cure human on human racism instanteously.

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Jul 19 2021 08:01am

True, but there would be huge anti-alien "racism" popping up instantly. A Trump-like figure would probably win the next presidential election on a platform of "build a space wall/dome".


Regarding your first point: the residents of first world countries might be there in terms of standard of living, but large parts of the world are not. On top of that, we have not yet figured out how to keep this standard of living or consumption levels without exhausting the natural resources of the planet, see the loss of biodiversity, climate change and so on. The leftist/Green party solution of sharply reducing our standard of living is not an option.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 19 2021 08:08am