Strange how these corporate overlords you keep talking about preferred Clinton and Biden over Trump.



This point aside, saying stuff like "conservatives being underrepresented among college professors shows that science confirms the liberal worldview" is equally idiotic to saying "the fact that the courts are conservative proves that justice has a conservative bent".
Academia is left-leaning, among other reasons, because liberals have made a concerted, decades-long effort to dominate education (see "the long march through the institutions"), just like the federal courts lean to the right because conservatives made a concerted, decades-long effort at dominating them.

100%.



Then it is the university's task to do something about their antifa problem. We cannot, under any circumstances, allow militant groups to force their intolerance on others via force (or the threat thereof).



Believe it or not, but I agree in principle. If a left-leaning speaker is invited to a right-leaning university, and students try to shut down the talk or even harass/harm the speaker or staff, then there should be harsh disciplinary consequences. Maybe not outright exmatriculation for simple booing, but definitely for the use of actual violence.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 25 2021 12:08pm

Don’t taze me bro

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Jun 25 2021 12:13pm

i was in school when this happen, i think a few friends of mine went to that event

doing something about the "antifa problem" costs money, canceling a speech is free.

where does the money come from?

you're being evasive and only offering platitudes in line with a general goal. you're not dealing with the realities in the real world examples im laying out for you.

your first post made it seem like it was a moral free speech issue, tagged along with a liberal censorship dogma, when in reality its far more financial. and these speakers love when they get their speeches cancelled, they sell a lot more merch and books.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 25 2021 01:09pm

Why is that strange? Biden isn't even proposing to bring back the Obama tax rates, and the tax hikes he is nominally for he's totally flaccid in fighting for. Trump meanwhile is a destabilizing force, and markets hate instability.

The difference is that we have no real evidence of some conspiratorial communist take over of academia the way we have actual records of massive corporate influence in selecting court justices. In a vacuum I can agree that "X is liberal does not mean the field of X provides an inherently liberal worldview", but given the totality of the circumstances I have to conclude otherwise with regards to the intellectual foundations of American conservatism. American conservatives have been, for the past ~40 years, intellectually non-existant. As an example, Margaret Thatcher acknowledged anthropogenic climate change and understood the potential importance of global action to stop emissions. Reagan signed an effective ban on CFCs shortly after the Ozone Hole was identified and it's cause was determined. However, since then, we've had conservatives who won't even acknowledge that climate change exists, much less than humans cause it. It took until ~2012 for most conservatives in America to even acknowledge global warming exists, and the hard-liners still deny it. I mean fuck, Shapiro is really popular and he wouldn't even acknowledge it until just a few years ago.

Disciplinary action against militant students who try to shut down free speech via violence is not expensive. Maybe puts some extra workload on the college lawyer, but that's about it. Letting the problem get out of hand and then trying to mitigate its consequences with security guards and shit like that is far more costly. This is a typical "nip it in the bud" scenario.

And like I said: I am supportive of cutting government funding to colleges which are found (with court-proof evidence) to not do everything in their power to protect free speech rights on their campus. Colleges which slacked on protecting free speech in the past and allowed their antifa problem to get out of hand, be it because of cowardice or ideological agreement, now have to pay the price, one way or another. If a univerty leadership concludes that losing all public funding is less costly than taking on their radical students, then so be it.

by that simplistic logic arresting and jailing every pepsi can or battery tossing antifa member nationwide should be simple.

you're being willfully ignorant of reality in service of a moral stance on free speech. ensuring speech remains free in the face of violent opposition is a great task for the western world some times to you, and apparently also mind numbingly simple on college campuses.....

Your post made it sound as if only conservatives/the GOP were corrupted by corporate interest and only their voters were gullible fools who fall for it. The Republican apple might be slightly more rotten than the Democratic one, but you'll still get food poisoning from eating it.
Also, in the situation that the United States actually are in, namely both parties being largely beholden to their corporate overlords, a little destabilization might actually be a good thing.



I dont think the most common accusation against academia is one of a communist takeover, rather one of a liberal takeover where anything right-of-center is underrepresented or outright suppressed.

Regarding climate change: how to address it is a very much open question when it comes to the political aspect of it. The preferred liberal narrative of sacrifice and a reduction in the standard of living will imho never find democratic majorities before it's too late. The only hope are technological solutions. Now, I would be all for massive, and I mean MASSIVE, public funding for research on these technologies. And yes, I'll happily admit that the denial and stalling tactics from the right have prevented this from happening. Nonetheless, liberals dont need to be surprised when stuff like ever-escalating electricity prices, carbon taxes, forcing people to eat less meat or drive e-cars with shitty range are electoral stinkers.

But we're getting far off-topic.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 25 2021 01:40pm

no sane person is willing to make these sacrifices on computer models for a system of unlimited complexity from people who have constantly been wrong in the past