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Jun 15 2021 10:35am
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No one is accusing you of saying that historians will consider it the most important thing.


Bruh, you literally cut out everything else from his post and characterized his statement as "Historians will consider Obama top-tier because he was black."

Glad to see you backing off though, because your original stance was fucking dumb.
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Jun 15 2021 10:37am
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Whether you think Reaganism was positive or negative, it had a clear objective and direction for the country. A strong military, a robust economy unencumbered by regulation, and a government in support of traditional, decentralized social power structures. That has been the conservative party within American politics for a generation.

Identity politics has entered center stage because the American left has abandoned the principles of bipartisan American liberalism. They are at war with the foundations of American and European civilization. I don't find comparisons, drawn by Chinese immigrants, to the Cultural Revolution all that dramatic anymore. The American right is only now waking up to the threat. It's unfortunate that there is no political talent at present to shape that burgeoning awareness in a productive direction.



As I said in a different thread, these institutional biases have existed for decades, but they've become significantly more overt in the past ten years, and kicked into overdrive with Trump's election. We are entering uncharted territory where universities are establishing committees to police academic research and journalists proudly proclaim themselves ideological advocates rather than arbiters of fact. Personally, I think it goes along with the decline of religion. We are trying to substitute one Truth for another. The last time we tried this was in the 1910s with Communism and the 1930s with Fascism, and I'm sure we all remember how that turned out.


and today we have a right wing that wants a strong military to stand by for potential wars they dont want to happen, a robust economy where corporations rake profits and trickle down economics become less and less valid year after year, and supporting a traditional family in line with judeo christain values only in select cases where they feel threatened, increasingly calling for the executive branch to end around legislation with EOs while their guy is in office and outsourcing all blame for polarization on the left, etc.

all while claiming gender neutral bathrooms and liberal arts majors rhetoric are an existential threat to america.

its idiots cheering on the creep of the federal power structure to tackle foes they've been bamboozled into thinking pose them a serious threat and a drastically lowered bar for what constitutes success while in power. they chopped the big toe off of obamacare and called it dead, completed 10% of the border wall that would never have worked and called it complete, cut taxes on corporations and 50k/year earners bought jetskis with stimulus checks while crying about welfare. they abandoned personal responsibility and regressed their definition of fiscal responsibility while only focusing on dem budgets and purple haired wierdos to feel superior.

plain and simple, the conservative wing has no answers for the actual problems the world faces in the next 100 years. they downplay or deny climate change, they now cry about infrastructure, they use nerf guns against china, and they cheer on automation's advancements while fighting tooth and nail to prevent america building a parachute.
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Jun 15 2021 10:40am
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and today we have a right wing that wants a strong military to stand by for potential wars they dont want to happen, a robust economy where corporations rake profits and trickle down economics become less and less valid year after year, and supporting a traditional family in line with judeo christain values only in select cases where they feel threatened, increasingly calling for the executive branch to end around legislation with EOs while their guy is in office and outsourcing all blame for polarization on the left, etc.

all while claiming gender neutral bathrooms and liberal arts majors rhetoric are an existential threat to america.

its idiots cheering on the creep of the federal power structure to tackle foes they've been bamboozled into thinking pose them a serious threat and a drastically lowered bar for what constitutes success while in power. they chopped the big toe off of obamacare and called it dead, completed 10% of the border wall that would never have worked and called it complete, cut taxes on corporations and 50k/year earners bought jetskis with stimulus checks while crying about welfare. they abandoned personal responsibility and regressed their definition of fiscal responsibility while only focusing on dem budgets and purple haired wierdos to feel superior.

plain and simple, the conservative wing has no answers for the actual problems the world faces in the next 100 years. they downplay or deny climate change, they now cry about infrastructure, they use nerf guns against china, and they cheer on automation's advancements while fighting tooth and nail to prevent america building a parachute.


what an eloquent summary.
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Jun 15 2021 12:52pm
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and today we have a right wing that wants a strong military to stand by for potential wars they dont want to happen, a robust economy where corporations rake profits and trickle down economics become less and less valid year after year, and supporting a traditional family in line with judeo christain values only in select cases where they feel threatened, increasingly calling for the executive branch to end around legislation with EOs while their guy is in office and outsourcing all blame for polarization on the left, etc.

all while claiming gender neutral bathrooms and liberal arts majors rhetoric are an existential threat to america.

its idiots cheering on the creep of the federal power structure to tackle foes they've been bamboozled into thinking pose them a serious threat and a drastically lowered bar for what constitutes success while in power. they chopped the big toe off of obamacare and called it dead, completed 10% of the border wall that would never have worked and called it complete, cut taxes on corporations and 50k/year earners bought jetskis with stimulus checks while crying about welfare. they abandoned personal responsibility and regressed their definition of fiscal responsibility while only focusing on dem budgets and purple haired wierdos to feel superior.

plain and simple, the conservative wing has no answers for the actual problems the world faces in the next 100 years. they downplay or deny climate change, they now cry about infrastructure, they use nerf guns against china, and they cheer on automation's advancements while fighting tooth and nail to prevent america building a parachute.


That is not an argument against conservatism, or even against right-wing populism. It's an argument against the incompetence of political leadership. If we were to analyze Obama's term through the same lens, we'd write a tale of government mandated hand-outs to massive insurance oligopolies, largess to large American corporate firms, and a mass of regulation that has done nothing to solve for stalling wages and government debt.

The United States needs a strong military; the time to draw down our military power came and went during the early 2000s, when it was squandered by a series of Republican led and Democrat supported wars in the Middle East that virtually everyone acknowledges were catastrophic mistakes. The economic problem is a combination of two root issues. One, there is a need for greater investment in discretionary spending, which will have to be funded. Republicans are intransigent on the issue of tax increases, and they are going to need to compromise, or employ monetary policy (i.e. debt monetization) to accomplish some version of the same. The second is a growing web of government supported economic rents in the form of licensing and other regulation that has made the American economy consistently less free (as measured by international watchdogs) and less competitive. Social policy is being reshaped. The American right is not opposed to government support for social institutions, but they want it to be the correct institutions and the right form of support. Left control over the bureaucracy has made the right less trusting of bureaucratic solutions. That needs to be rethought, and the bias in those institutions needs to be weeded out.

I don't think either party in government today has "solutions" for the issues facing the United States. Spending trillions of dollars we don't have to rack up debt we can't afford just before an interest rate hike is certainly an idea, but that doesn't make it a very good one. And I'm being generous, because government censorship of political speech and racial discrimination as the defacto policy of government is a great deal worse.
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That is not an argument against conservatism, or even against right-wing populism. It's an argument against the incompetence of political leadership. If we were to analyze Obama's term through the same lens, we'd write a tale of government mandated hand-outs to massive insurance oligopolies, largess to large American corporate firms, and a mass of regulation that has done nothing to solve for stalling wages and government debt.

The United States needs a strong military; the time to draw down our military power came and went during the early 2000s, when it was squandered by a series of Republican led and Democrat supported wars in the Middle East that virtually everyone acknowledges were catastrophic mistakes. The economic problem is a combination of two root issues. One, there is a need for greater investment in discretionary spending, which will have to be funded. Republicans are intransigent on the issue of tax increases, and they are going to need to compromise, or employ monetary policy (i.e. debt monetization) to accomplish some version of the same. The second is a growing web of government supported economic rents in the form of licensing and other regulation that has made the American economy consistently less free (as measured by international watchdogs) and less competitive. Social policy is being reshaped. The American right is not opposed to government support for social institutions, but they want it to be the correct institutions and the right form of support. Left control over the bureaucracy has made the right less trusting of bureaucratic solutions. That needs to be rethought, and the bias in those institutions needs to be weeded out.

I don't think either party in government today has "solutions" for the issues facing the United States. Spending trillions of dollars we don't have to rack up debt we can't afford just before an interest rate hike is certainly an idea, but that doesn't make it a very good one. And I'm being generous, because government censorship of political speech and racial discrimination as the defacto policy of government is a great deal worse.


Ahhh yes the ol' we need a strong military to protect us from the nation we sell our debt to so we can build a strong military circlejerk.

why anyone with over a 60 iq buys the idea that we need anything more than a strong defensive military is beyond me. north korea has a better military strategy than the USA.

the party interested in giving healthcare to all and the party looking to catch the USA up in infrastructure doesnt have solutions to future issues? lol ok. sure they're clouded by many other issues, but the idea they dont have the best approach to climate change and the looming unemployment america faces is silly.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 15 2021 01:04pm
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Ahhh yes the ol' we need a strong military to protect us from the nation we sell our debt to so we can build a strong military circlejerk.

why anyone with over a 60 iq buys the idea that we need anything more than a strong defensive military is beyond me. north korea has a better military strategy than the USA.

the party interested in giving healthcare to all and the party looking to catch the USA up in infrastructure doesnt have solutions to future issues? lol ok. sure they're clouded by many other issues, but the idea they dont have the best approach to climate change and the looming unemployment america faces is silly.


Who is "they"? I know of one guy and his name's Yang. Republicans are willing to spend on infrastructure, but there's a difference between "infrastructure" and infrastructure. As I said, there is a difference between having a plan and drawing up a wish-list funded by infinite money.

China owns a fraction of US debt. If you are fine with handing China control over global trade, Taiwan, and the ability to dictate terms to the world's 3rd largest economy, then by all means, cut military spending.
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Jun 15 2021 02:14pm
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Ahhh yes the ol' we need a strong military to protect us from the nation we sell our debt to so we can build a strong military circlejerk.

why anyone with over a 60 iq buys the idea that we need anything more than a strong defensive military is beyond me. north korea has a better military strategy than the USA.

the party interested in giving healthcare to all and the party looking to catch the USA up in infrastructure doesnt have solutions to future issues? lol ok. sure they're clouded by many other issues, but the idea they dont have the best approach to climate change and the looming unemployment america faces is silly.


Just look at all the peons who spend their life on TikTok Feeding Chinese economy not understanding it's owned by China and all the ads $ goes to China versus using their respective social medias to keep the money home.

People are simply retarded in 2021.

Generations of retarded people breeding retarded kids on top of putting their kids in front of electric devices their whole life.

Ask them where Nebraska is on a map and most won't know. Ask them where Booty bay is and they will rush to give you an answer to be that special snowflake that got the answer right.

This is the result of bad genes breeding kids and decades of bad parenting and bad decisions.

We should force IQ test before allowing people to breed and force selective breeding more.



This post was edited by SunnyvaleTrailerPark on Jun 15 2021 02:18pm
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Who is "they"? I know of one guy and his name's Yang. Republicans are willing to spend on infrastructure, but there's a difference between "infrastructure" and infrastructure. As I said, there is a difference between having a plan and drawing up a wish-list funded by infinite money.

China owns a fraction of US debt. If you are fine with handing China control over global trade, Taiwan, and the ability to dictate terms to the world's 3rd largest economy, then by all means, cut military spending.


the war of the future isnt with bullets u boomer. if we want to defend against china we need to spend billions on anti hacking agencies not stealth bombers.

so when exactly is the might of the US army going to be mobilized against China? the controlling interests on both sides of the aisle wont let it happen, they need china for manufacturing.

you're building for a war that wont happen, its just stupid.
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the war of the future isnt with bullets u boomer. if we want to defend against china we need to spend billions on anti hacking agencies not stealth bombers.

so when exactly is the might of the US army going to be mobilized against China? the controlling interests on both sides of the aisle wont let it happen, they need china for manufacturing.

you're building for a war that wont happen, its just stupid.


War is already happening and it's through the power of communication.

Selling people an idea, a thought do more damage than bombs.

Forcing people to hate each other have more impact on a country than invading it.

Wars with bombs are to conquer resources. If you want to disrupt a country, learn their language, spam bots their social medias with an idea that could go against their regime and watch the show.

Why do you think they banned streamers who spoke against China during specific events that China wanted censored? Because it spoke against their motive so the MSM went that way.

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the war of the future isnt with bullets u boomer. if we want to defend against china we need to spend billions on anti hacking agencies not stealth bombers.

so when exactly is the might of the US army going to be mobilized against China? the controlling interests on both sides of the aisle wont let it happen, they need china for manufacturing.

you're building for a war that wont happen, its just stupid.


If we've learned anything over the past century and a half, it's that economic ties do not preclude military conflict. Conflict between the United States and China is inevitable barring a CCP collapse. Their interests (control over resources, possession of Taiwan, naval security over trade routes) directly conflict with our own. Nationalism has replaced Communism as China's state religion. When they talk about not pushing off the issue of reunification (with Taiwan) to the next generation, they mean it. Possession of Taiwan makes a defense of Korea impossible, and a defense of Japan almost impossible. The difference in our spending from a PPP point of view is no longer so massive, and the distance between the United States and East Asia is vast.
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