Well, then I shall respond with:

Incorrect, the employees i hired were paid for their time i set everything up and packed it up when the job was over, i actually lost money by hiring people when i could do the job myself, i value time over money.
- I'm sorry, but losing money on a business venture is not conducive to someone who claims to own a $750,000 home and is also a self-professed millionaire than can afford a $5 million home on the Jersey Shore. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let you off that easily if we are going to continue real debate. It's one or the other.

My numbers are my business, i do not do charity work to brag about it or to look good to the community.
- Well, then don't make any comments about mine. I am not ashamed to admit what I do, nor am I ashamed to admit that Capitalism is the reason that I can afford it.
- In fact, the truth is when Trump's tax cuts went into effect a few years ago, my donations increased 400% (which in all honesty was about $30 but, again, I am not a millionaire. This is a great example of how using percentages to prove a point is a total fallacy, though).

I chose to live here because my wifes 96 year old ww2 veteran grandfather lived here and she wanted to be close to him, we will be moving soon as he passed last year.
- Well, thank you to her grandfather for his service. His deeds will always be appreciated and held in high regard as any other vet's should be (my great grandfather was a WW2 vet who received a purple heart too).
- So you're telling me, though, that you're going to just up and move when owning a $750,000 house? I would be highly doubtful it will be that easy to find a buyer for the equivalent of $577,500 in USD. I can tell you for a fact that this is more than double the average cost of a house in a Capitalist country where the government does not control a worker's wages.

Ever also think that the places with the best jobs also have more expensive housing?
- I live in one. I don't pay a mortgage equivalent to a $750,000 house though. I'm not sure here - please clarify.

So maybe there is a lot less choice in these matters than you think.
- Please clarify - choice is a very confusing statement when your finances basically give you choice of the entire world, no?

I am not comparing the rich to the rich, i am comparing comfortable wealth to society destroying excess, its NOT THE SAME THING
- You live in excess based on salary and claimed affordability (liquid assets available to buy a $5 million home). Why is your excess less of an offense than anyone else's?
- Also, making something size 42 font does not further one's point. Please, let's stick to thoughtful debate.

/edit - what is "K2"? Also - again, being a millionaire, you're not part of any ant hill. Virtue signaling from an ivory tower is more what it sounds like if we are being honest. And that's not an insult - that's just truth as you are a millionaire and far above the masses on the societal ladder.

This post was edited by CyrusTheGreat on Jun 11 2021 08:06pm

I still made profit, i made a lot less than i would have if i simply did the work myself, $50 an hour less per job, sometimes i would have multiple going at the same time.

I never commented on your donations at all.

I could literally sell my house within 10 minutes, its the capital city of australia and a house on a 900 square metre block..
I would have it sold as quick as a lawyer could get the paperwork out.

I do not pay a mortgage i own all of my properties outright.

I do not live in excess, i live comfortably without having to work, i have stated this many times you keep pretending not to read it.

k2 is the most dangerous mountain in the world, and yes compared to a bezos or gates a millionaire is an anthill or less.

I used a system i disagree with to get myself to the point where i no longer have to participate in that system.
The billionaires BUILT the system to exploit and rob the masses to fund excess that benefits no one.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jun 11 2021 08:17pm

Alright - then:

I still made profit, i made a lot less than i would have if i simply did the work myself, $50 an hour less per job, sometimes i would have multiple going at the same time.
- OK - so then you are admitting you kept more earnings than your workers were being paid. I did say this before if we are being fair. While I personally wouldn't think so, that does rank under your definition of exploitation stated previously.

I never commented on your donations at all.
- My friend... We both know that is inaccurate with a slight review of past posts.
- There are no hard feelings and I honestly am not worried about it. As I said before, the only reason it was even disclosed is because it's an excess expense that I afford in a capitalist society, therefore it's not just the Lord-N-Serf class you believe it is.

I could literally sell my house within 10 minutes, its the capital city of australia and a house on a 900 square metre block..
- Well, if you say so, then perhaps. I still have my strong doubts. That is a highly expensive home (again, the equivalent of $577,500 USD) and in a "COVID" world, it's doubtful people have that kind of flexible capital.

I would have it sold as quick as a lawyer could get the paperwork out.
- See above - same response.

I do not pay a mortgage i own all of my properties outright.
- Can I ask why you would want to make yourself look even richer when the entire premise of your argument is that rich people are bad? You own a $750,000 home outright and can afford another $5 million home?

I do not live in excess, i live comfortably without having to work, i have stated this many times you keep pretending not to read it.
- I read it and did respond I believe. As a matter of fairness, I will repeat:
- You live in a $750,000 house (that we have now learned is actually paid off - something unheard of for someone who is 36 without a trust-fund account), have the assets to afford a $5 million home and don't have to work. You are the pure bread example of Capitalism success because it's the same over here.

k2 is the most dangerous mountain in the world, and yes compared to a bezos or gates a millionaire is an anthill or less.
- Ah - never heard of it. Thanks for clarifying.
- No, you're comparing yourself who is rich to those who are more rich. I will continue to say this because it is impossible to believe you have less responsibility as one who earns more than 95% of people just because you have 1 less comma (but a paid off 3/4 $1 million home....)

/edit - exactly, you benefited from a capitalist type system. So there really shouldn't be any issue?

This post was edited by CyrusTheGreat on Jun 11 2021 08:27pm

Now you are just lying so why would i continue to engage?

In fairness, could you quote the lie, please?

This post was edited by CyrusTheGreat on Jun 11 2021 08:35pm

"OK - so then you are admitting you kept more earnings than your workers were being paid. I did say this before if we are being fair. While I personally wouldn't think so, that does rank under your definition of exploitation stated previously."

This is a lie.

"- My friend... We both know that is inaccurate with a slight review of past posts."

This is a lie.

"- Well, if you say so, then perhaps. I still have my strong doubts. That is a highly expensive home (again, the equivalent of $577,500 USD) and in a "COVID" world, it's doubtful people have that kind of flexible capital."

Could be debunked in 2 minutes on google, just like when you tried to explain tax law to me and i told you that you were wrong and you kept arguing until dylan said the same thing i did.

"- Can I ask why you would want to make yourself look even richer when the entire premise of your argument is that rich people are bad? You own a $750,000 home outright and can afford another $5 million home?"

Because i already explained this to you, i have enough to live comfortably without working, that was my goal.
This is not in any way comparable to a billionaire and pretending it is happens to be yep.. another lie.

"Ah - never heard of it. Thanks for clarifying.
- No, you're comparing yourself who is rich to those who are more rich. I will continue to say this because it is impossible to believe you have less responsibility as one who earns more than 95% of people just because you have 1 less comma (but a paid off 3/4 $1 million home....)"

That one less comma is like the difference between a black hole and a pin prick.


"HERR DERR YOU HAVE ENOUGH FOOD TO FEED YOUR FAMILY SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND JEFF BEZOS HAVING ENOUGH FOOD TO FEED 3 BILLION IMPOVERISHED PEOPLE? HERRR" ~ Cyrus.

Let me ask YOU a question?
If you have a well in town that the whole town shares, is there a difference between taking a bucket of water and taking a syphon and draining the entire well then selling that water back to the town at a profit?

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jun 11 2021 08:42pm

Alrighty - here ya go:

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"OK - so then you are admitting you kept more earnings than your workers were being paid. I did say this before if we are being fair. While I personally wouldn't think so, that does rank under your definition of exploitation stated previously."

This is a lie.
- Alright, explain how it's a lie if you are capable of living the lifestyle you claim?
- What was your hourly rate for services vs. number of people at each job site at $25 an hour?

"- My friend... We both know that is inaccurate with a slight review of past posts."

This is a lie.
- It isn't, and I did save some neat snippets of you doing so. Please, let's move on. This isn't going to go how you're thinking it will and is also unnecessary.

"- Well, if you say so, then perhaps. I still have my strong doubts. That is a highly expensive home (again, the equivalent of $577,500 USD) and in a "COVID" world, it's doubtful people have that kind of flexible capital."

Could be debunked in 2 minutes on google, just like when you tried to explain tax law to me and i told you that you were wrong and you kept arguing until dylan said the same thing i did.
- I admitted to them that they were correct.
- You never did address how that mileage reimbursement would offset gas which isn't reimbursed, excess insurance costs for using your vehicle for delivery, doubled medicare tax, excess car repairs, excess car maintenance, excess need for tires/alignments. Much higher chance of engine/transmission failure due to a highly abnormal number of stop-and-go city miles, transmission flushes every 10,000 miles at $150+ each to try and prevent the prior, etc. I kinda gave up on that one at that point. We can pick that one back up if you'd like, though. A good debate is always welcomed.
- I still stand firm that no house is selling for $750,000 anytime soon.

"- Can I ask why you would want to make yourself look even richer when the entire premise of your argument is that rich people are bad? You own a $750,000 home outright and can afford another $5 million home?"

Because i already explained this to you, i have enough to live comfortably without working, that was my goal.
This is not in any way comparable to a billionaire and pretending it is happens to be yep.. another lie.
- It's not a lie to point out you live higher than 95% of others. It's just numbers. I am really sensing a severe, envious resentment towards those who earn more than you - it's all you can seem to fixate on. It doesn't make their salary less deserving, though. If they earned it, they earned it.

"Ah - never heard of it. Thanks for clarifying.
- No, you're comparing yourself who is rich to those who are more rich. I will continue to say this because it is impossible to believe you have less responsibility as one who earns more than 95% of people just because you have 1 less comma (but a paid off 3/4 $1 million home....)"

That one less comma is like the difference between a black hole and a pin prick.
- And that Millionaire salary vs. the average salary is the difference between an ocean and a rain drop. So, again, when did your responsibility to society as a rich person become relieved just because others may have more money than you? Sincere question.

This post was edited by CyrusTheGreat on Jun 11 2021 09:30pm

I do not debate liars, its counter productive to my maximum time saving life philosophy.

Well... Alrighty - no worries.

i've addressed all of my supposed lies and have pointed out all double standards where appropriate, so we shall leave it here then.

I bid you well and best wishes in your goal to achieve a maximum time saving life philosophy. Take care and be well

/edit oh my bad - I did miss this so as a gesture of fairness I will respond on exit:

Let me ask YOU a question?
If you have a well in town that the whole town shares, is there a difference between taking a bucket of water and taking a syphon and draining the entire well then selling that water back to the town at a profit?
- so, using a real-life example. As a millionaire, in that specific scenario, you would be the equivalent of an "executive" of the company that drains the entire well and sells the water back to the town at a profit in order to sustain such a salary.
- Many CEO's of smaller companies can't afford the $5 million house you can... It's just fair facts.

This post was edited by CyrusTheGreat on Jun 11 2021 09:12pm

Water is a finite resource money isn't. The comparison is not good but nice try

This post was edited by addone on Jun 11 2021 09:05pm