Quote (Jesus_Lives @ Apr 6 2021 09:02pm)

I never said whether I believe God has an infinite tolerance for pain because I cannot get you to define what you mean by that. Just because theBible teaches God cannot lie doesn’t mean He is finite. All you have done is continue the this is logical “because I said so” argument. And no, you are wrong again. I am unaware of anyone that claims that their NIV is the perfect Word of God. But certainly not everyone. Even if everyone did that would not change reality.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 6 2021 09:04pm)

There are a looooot of other translations besides the NIV.

The mormons think the book of moron is perfect as well, originally authored in English and handed to them directly from an angel of God.

For God, his pain tolerance would be the maximum amount of pain before he removes the pain. Since he's God, he can remove any pain instantly, having full control over literally everything after all.

Quote (Jesus_Lives @ Apr 6 2021 09:15pm)

Obviously there are a lot of version but it would waste a lot of time to list them. Is your claim that God could of removed Jesus from Hell if the pain would of reached a certain threshold? And since He allowed Jesus to stay in Hell for the full 3 days and 3 nights prophesied of, this must mean that the pain wasn’t so bad, otherwise God would have pulled Him out early? Hence no such pain threshold exists in God and therefore it wasn’t really a sacrifice because it didn’t reach that threshold?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 6 2021 08:00pm)

My contention would either be

a) Hell is infinite pain, and god has an infinite pain tolerance. God is a dick for sending people to tell, and therefore isn't some all-loving God. He literally created a system where people feel infinite pain, so no amount of infinite pleasure in heaven can counteract that.

b) Hell is infinite pain and God has finite pain tolerance. This can't be the case or Jesus couldn't go there and bear it for 3 days. It would be too much, and it just wouldn't happen. This is a logical consequence of the definitions we are using.

c) Hell is finite pain, and God has either finite or infinite pain tolerance. Either way, a short time in hell is not really a sacrifice. I.e. "God gave up his weekend for your sins".

Quote (TiStuff @ Apr 6 2021 10:02pm)

Isaiah 55:8-9
King James Version

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
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scripture says you dont have anything.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 6 2021 08:04pm)

Nah man. Krishna is higher than that. Haven't you read Hindu scripture?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 6 2021 02:53pm)

An innocent man has a finite life span. God does not.

A God cannot be tortured, no matter what form it takes. A God who incarnates into a mortal form feeling mortal pain is not feeling pain the same way we are. We are finite beings with only our bodies as reference. A God taking this form is still an infinite being with an infinite pain capacity.

So God did not lose anything, because Jesus is God. You can't lose yourself.
God did not feel a meaningful pain, since that's impossible for a deity
God did not spend a meaningful amount of time as a mortal or in hell, since a finite amount of time against an infinite existence is always insignificant.



Doesn't matter lol

God feeling pain is immaterial. He's God.

If there is no time in hell then Jesus is still there. That's how time not existing works.

Quote (Jesus_Lives @ Apr 6 2021 04:40pm)

Are you 100% sure you are going to Heaven when you die?