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Feb 24 2021 08:58pm
Quote (Samir_Slayer @ Feb 24 2021 03:04pm)
We don't have the testicular fortitude to take it to the next level? I think you mean to say we have the foresight to "settle" for top 3 and have it available to everyone for free rather than be top 1 and only have it available to the privileged.
Right you're the wealthiest nation but remind me again how that personally affects the average American? Do they have health care? Do they have job security?guaranteed 5 weeks paid vacation annually? Paid sick leave? Do they have unions? Paid maternity leave? Is paternity even a thing? Kids between 15-17 have a minimum wage between $7-10 here, remind me what your federal minimum wage for grown ass men and women is.
The distribution or your wealth is clearly not to the benefit of the average American so spare me that nonsense of being number one.

US (among some other eastern European shit holes I can't remember) is the only developed nation without universal Healthcare. There's your basis for it not being a first world country.


And yet American graduation rates from 2 and 4 year institutions are very much within first world norms.

The median income in the United States is among the highest in the developed world. I can only count a handful of countries with higher, and they are tiny countries living in geographically favorable situations.

Whether the United States structures its health-care as a public monopoly or whether it establishes inefficient wage floors or guarantees vacation is irrelevant. The American model produces an incredibly high standard of living that is only challenged by a select few countries in exceedingly advantageous situations. And unlike those countries, the United States has guaranteed that standard of living across a vast country of 350 million souls. Denmark has had to limit its generosity to 5-6 million Danes.
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And yet American graduation rates from 2 and 4 year institutions are very much within first world norms.

The median income in the United States is among the highest in the developed world. I can only count a handful of countries with higher, and they are tiny countries living in geographically favorable situations.

Whether the United States structures its health-care as a public monopoly or whether it establishes inefficient wage floors or guarantees vacation is irrelevant. The American model produces an incredibly high standard of living that is only challenged by a select few countries in exceedingly advantageous situations. And unlike those countries, the United States has guaranteed that standard of living across a vast country of 350 million souls. Denmark has had to limit its generosity to 5-6 million Danes.


You are wrong in the bolded. We definitely do not guarantee a higher standard of living, and in many ways we guarantee that a large portion of the population will have a lower standard of living.

You are in a much better position being poor in the UK than you are in the United States. You are in a much better position having a life-long health condition in a lot of Europe than you are in the United States if you weren't born to a top 10% income family.

We have a big problem with income distribution, so no, we don't guarantee anything across everybody in the United States.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 24 2021 09:05pm
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I did not expect New Zealand and South Korea to be so far down there. I also did not expect the UK, which is famous for having been an ultra-stable class society for centuries, to rank higher than the land of freedom and opportunity.


The chart is completely fucked. Its from a lefty dream website.
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Feb 24 2021 09:40pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 25 Feb 2021 04:05)
You are wrong in the bolded. We definitely do not guarantee a higher standard of living, and in many ways we guarantee that a large portion of the population will have a lower standard of living.

You are in a much better position being poor in the UK than you are in the United States. You are in a much better position having a life-long health condition in a lot of Europe than you are in the United States if you weren't born to a top 10% income family.

We have a big problem with income distribution, so no, we don't guarantee anything across everybody in the United States.


That's the issue: for a proper comparison of the overall well-being of citizens in various different countries, we would need to compare the median disposable income (after taxes and typical living expenses like healthcare or rent).

Yes, the U.S. have a comparatively high median income, but Americans are paying a lot more for their healthcare than Europeans, with a much lower protection level. For around €400 a month, I get an almost all-inclusive healthcare insurance, and if I had children, they would get full coverage under my plan... for free. How much would I need to pay in the U.S. for the same kind of coverage? $800? $1200? The difference would theoretically need to be added to my euroscrub income to get the comparable US-style income. I would assume that the factor healthcare is single-handedly skewing the median income by something like $500 per month, or $6000 per year. And let's not even talk about the difference in security and protection when someone loses his job or gets cancer...



The bottom line is probably this: yes, the United States have various ultra-productive industries, so that there's plenty of wealth going around - but the distribution is so egregious that the actual quality of life for very sizable chunks of the American population lags behind that of people from the same income percentile in other developed countries.
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Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 25 2021 03:58am)
And yet American graduation rates from 2 and 4 year institutions are very much within first world norms.

The median income in the United States is among the highest in the developed world. I can only count a handful of countries with higher, and they are tiny countries living in geographically favorable situations.

Whether the United States structures its health-care as a public monopoly or whether it establishes inefficient wage floors or guarantees vacation is irrelevant. The American model produces an incredibly high standard of living that is only challenged by a select few countries in exceedingly advantageous situations. And unlike those countries, the United States has guaranteed that standard of living across a vast country of 350 million souls. Denmark has had to limit its generosity to 5-6 million Danes.


What does it matter that you have a high income when it doesn't get you half of what someone who makes less than you in a different country gets? Or are you some scrooge mcduck type whose sole purpose is to make the number bigger for yourself regardless of what's going on around you? How can you (as an average American) feel safe knowing that you're just one major accident away from bankruptcy or one unforseen illness away from emptying your savings to cover it?

The American model is clearly not sustainable(for the majority of its population), and people are starting to wake up to that notion thanks to the availability of information.
I wonder what it says about you that you find universal Healthcare and liveable wages 'irrelevant' or that I seemingly care more about your downtrodden countrymen than you do.

This post was edited by Samir_Slayer on Feb 25 2021 09:13am
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why is a pale pasty privileged racist from an ancient kingdom filled with privilege and near-zero diversity due to regressive immigration systems lecturing others of quality of life?
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Feb 25 2021 09:48am
The R party or newly coined Team Q has landed in TX claiming the snow to be "Fake"

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-not-fake-snow/fact-check-explaining-fake-texas-snow-posts-and-scorched-snow-videos-idUSKBN2AN1R8

holy hell.. LMAO
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Feb 25 2021 09:49am
Quote (excellence @ Feb 25 2021 07:34am)
why is a pale pasty privileged racist from an ancient kingdom filled with privilege and near-zero diversity due to regressive immigration systems lecturing others of quality of life?


bor, that's not even English any more you are just using the Sean Hannity word dictionary and just puking the adjective out randomly.
Be Better!

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Feb 25 2021 09:53am
Quote (excellence @ Feb 25 2021 04:34pm)
why is a pale pasty privileged racist from an ancient kingdom filled with privilege and near-zero diversity due to regressive immigration systems lecturing others of quality of life?


Weak attempt. Try again but focus on my arguments instead of character this time or keep quiet.
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Feb 25 2021 09:53am
Quote (excellence @ Feb 25 2021 10:34am)
why is a pale pasty privileged racist from an ancient kingdom filled with privilege and near-zero diversity due to regressive immigration systems lecturing others of quality of life?


Nother angry trumptard thats done nothing for texas.

Quote (theCrossbones @ Feb 25 2021 10:48am)
The R party or newly coined Team Q has landed in TX claiming the snow to be "Fake"

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-not-fake-snow/fact-check-explaining-fake-texas-snow-posts-and-scorched-snow-videos-idUSKBN2AN1R8

holy hell.. LMAO


These pictures and video are everywhere right now its a hell of a meme and damn funny.
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