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Dec 22 2020 01:19pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 22 Dec 2020 10:52)
The issue isn't that the travel expenses are higher or lower. The issue is that he's profiting off of them. He's getting paid to go on vacation basically, and being paid by the government and his campaigns.

That's also not the only way that he's benefited from his position. Foreign nationals have said on record that they feel pressured to stay at his hotels over competitors, and there's evidence he's leveraged deals with the Saudis to get business deals for his businesses and family, and then Trump fired the IG that was looking into the possible corruption. https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2020/05/18/fired-state-department-ig-probed-trumps-saudi-arms-deals/

Trump has been so brazen in his corruption that there's no reason you should be ignorant of it. He's an exceptionally corrupt person, and he does it in plain sight.


That's a highly inconsistent attitude, and even an inconsistent statement. So, were his trips to his so-called "Winter White House" vacations, or was he still conducting the business of state and profiting off guests and SS? Were his trips to hotels and resorts overseas vacations, or was he conducting the business of state and profiting off guests and SS? I mean, the entire attitude here is bizarre. He cost tax payers less, but because he went where he wanted, rather than where Obama wanted, it's bad? I mean, taxpayers paid for a multimillion dollar house in DC for Obama. Nobody's crying over it. I tend to think if Trump's expenses were lower than Obama's year over year, then whatever he was or was not doing saved taxpayers some money, and good on him.

I'm also completely unconcerned over an Obama-appointed State Department IG being fired by Trump. No proof or evidence has been offered that the arms deal had anything to do with profit on Trump's part. Merely part of an ongoing effort to curb Iran's actions.

Like, I'm pretty open minded about things, but when you start throwing around accusations of corruption and mass profiting off the tax payer's dime, some hard data to back it up would be super. The question regarding Trump's hotel and club stays would, to me, always fall on, "If he'd stayed at a place he didn't own, would it have cost less, or more?" My guess is more, but feel free to provide any evidence you have that that is incorrect.
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Dec 22 2020 07:22pm
Well... were fucked even more now lol

Anyone have a link to the 2 bills?

edit: So which bill has all the stuff that trumps says in it? The stim bill or the defense bill?

This post was edited by Metalwise4u on Dec 22 2020 07:49pm
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Quote (Surfpunk @ 22 Dec 2020 12:27)
I'm not taking a position one way or the other about the $600, or the money to Israel. Just pointing out that the lumping in of the $500 million to Israel with the COVID bill is #FakeNews. It was a separate piece of legislation.

indeed, but the overarching point is the same. $2.3T in government (more appropriately known as taxpayer funded) spending during a pandemic where the government ordered people not to work or do business.

for that, our beloved legislature has benevolently said we are to be returned from our payments in, at best, $600.
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Dec 22 2020 08:09pm
Lets get this shit done ladies and gents

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1341557535732604935
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Quote (Metalwise4u @ 22 Dec 2020 21:09)
Lets get this shit done ladies and gents

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1341557535732604935

get what done? what President Trump and most of America requested Congress to do 4-5 months ago?

speaker Pelosi firmly justified only giving max $600 yesterday, and said no to standalone relief for Americans bills for 4+ months now. tbf so has most of the swamp demons including Mcconnell.



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get what done? what President Trump and most of America requested Congress to do 4-5 months ago?

speaker Pelosi firmly justified only giving max $600 yesterday, and said no to standalone relief for Americans bills for 4+ months now. tbf so has most of the swamp demons including Mcconnell.

https://i.ibb.co/qdB65cv/FF4417-E5-8-C3-B-4148-A62-F-2-B14-CABF3844.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/whCpg8g/D59-CD226-D295-4-C53-BB48-B7-DADFC42263.jpg


Pelosi just agreed with Trump into giving the Americans more money and she wants to bring it to the floor this week. Yes this shit should of been done along time ago. Both sides are too blame

This shit is just ridiculous

edit: But yes I do remember Trump was stating he wanted to give the Americans more money for the past 4+ months but never got done.

This post was edited by Metalwise4u on Dec 22 2020 08:33pm
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Shit, Trump fucked this up. Pelosi said by the end of the week. 5000 pages will become 7500 pages and it'll all be different. FML.

Hopefully that snuck in streaming law will at least gtfo.
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Dec 22 2020 08:48pm
I missed literally every stimulus measure here in aus, failed all the asset tests, got $0.
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 23 2020 01:41pm)
Shit, Trump fucked this up. Pelosi said by the end of the week. 5000 pages will become 7500 pages and it'll all be different. FML.

Hopefully that snuck in streaming law will at least gtfo.

If they actually enforce the law on x rated streaming sites that's literally all of them, thousands to millions of violations.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Dec 22 2020 08:50pm
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Quote (Plaguefear @ 22 Dec 2020 18:48)
I missed literally every stimulus measure here in aus, failed all the asset tests, got $0.

If they actually enforce the law on x rated streaming sites that's literally all of them, thousands to millions of violations.


I'm equally as concerned for individual streamers. Think it through. Say you're streaming some bullshit article from Fox News. You're scrolling down the article as you're reading and commenting on it so your audience can read along. Your video is monetized, you're doing great.

You've now committed a felony and can end up with 5 years in jail. All Fox news Articles are copyrighted, and you just streamed it for a profit.

Youtubers are in an uproar. The current consensus appears to be that it will effectively end Fair Use. I'm still waiting for some of the legal analytics to really start to worry, but yeah, it doesn't look good, how it's worded.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 23 2020 02:04pm)
I'm equally as concerned for individual streamers. Think it through. Say you're streaming some bullshit article from Fox News. You're scrolling down the article as you're reading and commenting on it so your audience can read along. Your video is monetized, you're doing great.

You've now committed a felony and can end up with 5 years in jail. All Fox news Articles are copyrighted, and you just streamed it for a profit.

Youtubers are in an uproar. The current consensus appears to be that it will effectively end Fair Use. I'm still waiting for some of the legal analytics to really start to worry, but yeah, it doesn't look good, how it's worded.


Yeah it is a stupid law, i oppose nearly all copyright so this is like the apocalypse to me.
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