Quote (bogie160 @ 16 Nov 2020 05:15)

Of course people are skeptical about claims that police organizations are compromised by far-right organizations, that's an enormously consequential statement that requires an abundance of evidence. Let's do a deep dive into your source and see if it passes muster.





The paper quotes FBI sources acknowledging white supremacists as a threat circa 2017. It goes on to note that "obviously", any connections with white supremacists represents a tiny percentage of law enforcement, and certainly does not support the notion that law enforcement in deep blue cities within deep blue states are controlled by far-right terror groups.



We really have to question the partiality of the article. Why would officers who have had their wrongful dismissals correctly overturned be "tainted" by accusations of racist behavior? Isn't that the entire point of neutral arbitration?



The author has already answered his own question. Only a "tiny" percentage of law enforcement officers, presumably in conservative states, are involved. Of course the federal government hasn't "responded" in the way the author would prefer, it's a marginal problem by the author's own admission.



And yet the Charleston shooter did not have connections with either law enforcement or actual white supremacist organizations. This is an odd non-sequitur.

To be honest, I got bored reading 1/3rd of the way through, if there is something important I missed, let me know.

Quote (MxVivianWulf @ Nov 16 2020 12:50am)

Not being a member of a white supremacist organisation doesn't mean you aren't far right.
Find me the communist police Union. You can't. Because the right controls the police.
However I can find you numerous examples of Police forces housing far-right groups... and I can find you far more examples of them working with far right extremists. Especially in Portland which EndlessLie cited as an example of a police force with a left wing bias.

The DA is not the police btw. The police in Portland have ties to the Proud boys and patriot prayer and have been caught cooperating and coordinating with both.

Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 15 2020 11:57pm)

I am going to refer to Thor's source, which from my brief reading is clearly coming from a left-advocacy point of view. Only a tiny percentage of police officers are tied to white supremacist groups in any form, and we can probably assume (although the source does not delve into specifics) that a majority of these cases are represented in traditionally conservative states.

If you have evidence that Portland's police has in actuality been successfully infiltrated by white supremacist groups, by all means share.

Quote (bogie160 @ 16 Nov 2020 05:57)

I am going to refer to Thor's source, which from my brief reading is clearly coming from a left-advocacy point of view. Only a tiny percentage of police officers are tied to white supremacist groups in any form, and we can probably assume (although the source does not delve into specifics) that a majority of these cases are represented in traditionally conservative states.

If you have evidence that Portland's police has in actuality been successfully infiltrated by white supremacist groups, by all means share.

Quote (fender @ 15 Nov 2020 23:15)

i gotta admit i kinda appreciate how open some people are where they stand on the fascists vs. anti-fascists issue.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 16 Nov 2020 17:05)

Wrong. People just refuse to let left-wing hacks like yourself define where "acceptable viewpoints" end and "fascism" begins. If you and your ilk had your way, everything to the right of Joe Biden would be labeled "fascism-adjacent" and everything to the right of John McCain would be considered completely beyond the pale.

...oh who am I kidding - by the end of Biden's term, far lefties like you or Viv will be calling Biden a "stooge of a fascist system" or something along those lines too.

Quote (MxVivianWulf @ Nov 16 2020 01:07am)

I didn't say they had been infiltrated. I said they cooperated and coordinated with them.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/15/joey-gibson-portland-police-relationship-cooperation-text-messages

A systemic issue across multiple police forces in the united states in fact.

Quote (MxVivianWulf @ Nov 16 2020 01:07am)

I didn't say they had been infiltrated. I said they cooperated and coordinated with them.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/15/joey-gibson-portland-police-relationship-cooperation-text-messages

A systemic issue across multiple police forces in the united states in fact.

Quote (MxVivianWulf @ Nov 16 2020 01:09am)

As for evidence of far right violence - I can find you a million threads like this one. A baked Alaska stream and some articles from Andy Ngo certainly ain't gonna give anyone watching from afar the full picture.

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1328084426425651200?s=20