Quote (proccy @ Oct 7 2020 09:42pm)

pard is even more shortbus than GC based on the past year

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"The complaint about Kamala Harris was that she was abrasive and condescending," said Luntz, who monitored the reactions of 15 undecided voters from eight battleground states throughout the evening.

"The complaint about Mike Pence was that he was too tired, but [he was] vice presidential, or presidential," added Luntz, who went on to say that "if this is a battle over style and substance -- which is often the case with undecided voters because they simply do not choose on policy, they also choose on persona -- this was Mike Pence’s night."

Luntz clarified that "it’s not that Pence did so well, it’s that they [voters] felt both candidates were not answering the questions as well as they would have liked."

Despite this, voters seemed to appreciate that the two nominees were significantly more cordial to each other than President Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden had been in their first presidential debate last week.

"They really did not like the ducking of questions," Luntz explained, "but they were so much happier with this debate than they were the first one. The first one to them was embarrassing. This one, at least, they had the decorum. But the frustration ... was [that] 'They're ducking the question, they are pivoting.'"

Luntz said that while voters were frustrated with the vice president for repeatedly running over his allotted time, "Harris’ reactions to Pence -- the smiling, the smirking, the scowling" left them far "angrier" with her performance.

"Voters do not like it when candidates run long, and when they run long every time, they think that’s an example of being undisciplined and unfocused," he argued. "However, they were more agitated with Kamala's presentation than they were with Mike Pence."

"It was clear," he concluded, "that Mike Pence was the winner of tonight’s confrontation."

Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 8 2020 12:04am)

Frank Luntz has his usual focus group responses to the debate;

https://www.foxnews.com/media/vice-presidential-debate-reaction-undecided-voters

Pretty much the brains behind modern republican talking points, buzzwords and messaging.

seems like what I'd expect after watching that
Felt like Kamala thought she was still on a primary debate stage trying to win the democratic vote against other liberals, and that being shrill and moralizing was a winning plan. Its not.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 8 2020 12:07am)

What are your expectations for polls? (I didn't watch it)

Based on what people are saying I'd expect this to at least stop the bleeding, but probably too little too late since Biden is already up everywhere.

Was it such a blowout that it's going to convince anybody that Trump is worth electing just for Pence being the VP?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 7 2020 10:07pm)

What are your expectations for polls? (I didn't watch it)

Based on what people are saying I'd expect this to at least stop the bleeding, but probably too little too late since Biden is already up everywhere.

Was it such a blowout that it's going to convince anybody that Trump is worth electing just for Pence being the VP?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Oct 8 2020 12:18am)

Based on what I'm seeing, clear winner of the debate was The Fly. All polls reflect this.

For serious polling, seems neck in neck, which indicates to me, there's going to be no impact on overall election polling, going back to my original prediction.

Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 7 2020 10:04pm)

Frank Luntz has his usual focus group responses to the debate;

https://www.foxnews.com/media/vice-presidential-debate-reaction-undecided-voters

Pretty much the brains behind modern republican talking points, buzzwords and messaging.

seems like what I'd expect after watching that
Felt like Kamala thought she was still on a primary debate stage trying to win the democratic vote against other liberals, and that being shrill and moralizing was a winning plan. Its not.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Oct 7 2020 09:26pm)

There's so much shit stuck to Biden they've resorted to injecting it into his forehead to make him more expressive. The guy's spent 47 years in politics. We know his record, just as we know Trump's record.

And I love the claims that Trump "literally does that" without any proof of a damn thing. You're so low effort, the average 5 year old, knowing nothing about politics at all, could just look at your "argument" and say, "If this is the average Biden voter, I think I'll go for the other guy."

TLDR:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755198864180379659/763620183344152586/ShitArgument.jpg