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#141
Sep 24 2020 12:32pm
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gosh wouldnt it be nice to have body cam footage, gee that would be swell.

sir the current mantra is that video recording devices used by police should be banned:

https://www.opb.org/article/2020/07/29/portland-police-bureau-oregon-aclu-lawsuit-surveillance/?outputType=amp

That said i agree with you, tired of these events always somehow lacking bodycams. That would very high up there on my mandatory police reform list

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Sep 24 2020 12:36pm
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Allegations that the LMPD lied on the affidavits filed to obtain said warrant, and lied about the Postal Service "corroborating" said info. Discrepancies on whether the police actually verbally announced they were police before breaching the apartment (Walker (and 11 neighbors) claim they heard no such announcement, one neighbor says they did (and the police obviously claim they did). A residence supposedly being a "soft target", according to police, requiring a no-knock warrant, yet the police knock (and potentially don't announce - this puts the officers involved in the raid at higher risk, as evidenced by the injury to Mattingly during the breach). The fact that Walker had attempted murder charges dropped against him after interrogation by police (as he was acting with a legally-owned firearm within the constraints of Kentucky's stand your ground law).


The warrant being acquired under suspicious pretenses would have no relevance when judging the police who enforced the warrant.

regardless of the pretense under which the warrant was acquired, is there any dispute that the no-knock warrant was officially in place prior to the raid?

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Sep 24 2020 12:48pm
Quote (Kayeto @ Sep 24 2020 01:36pm)
The warrant being acquired under suspicious pretenses would have no relevance when judging the police who enforced the warrant.

regardless of the pretense under which the warrant was acquired, is there any dispute that the no-knock warrant was officially in place prior to the raid?


Yes it does, lying to acquire a warrant invalidates the warrant.

its not a FISA court, where such falsehoods or faulty info can be discarded for national security excuses.

the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine of law is clear, an illegally obtained warrant leads to an illegal search and seizure.

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Sep 24 2020 12:58pm
Quote (Kayeto @ Sep 24 2020 01:36pm)
The warrant being acquired under suspicious pretenses would have no relevance when judging the police who enforced the warrant.

regardless of the pretense under which the warrant was acquired, is there any dispute that the no-knock warrant was officially in place prior to the raid?


Snipa addressed your first sentence. The warrant was issued as a no-knock one. https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2020/06/10/breonna-taylor-louisville-detective-joshua-jaynes-no-knock-warrant-reassigned/5333604002/
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Sep 24 2020 12:59pm
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Yes it does, lying to acquire a warrant invalidates the warrant.


How would that come back on the cops who are executing the warrant?

If people want to go after the judge and whoever else was involved in getting the warrant, I'm all for pursuing that avenue.

But that seems like a separate issue from evaluating the cops who were just following the orders relayed down the chain to them. Yesterday's judgement is about the cops that entered the apartment, not the people who got the warrant.
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Sep 24 2020 01:00pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 24 2020 02:58pm)
Snipa addressed your first sentence. The warrant was issued as a no-knock one. https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2020/06/10/breonna-taylor-louisville-detective-joshua-jaynes-no-knock-warrant-reassigned/5333604002/


So are you saying that if a cop, who was tasked with executing a NK warrant, instead actually knocks on the door, then he has committed a crime?

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Sep 24 2020 01:07pm
Quote (Kayeto @ Sep 24 2020 01:59pm)
How would that come back on the cops who are executing the warrant?

If people want to go after the judge and whoever else was involved in getting the warrant, I'm all for pursuing that avenue.

But that seems like a separate issue from evaluating the cops who were just following the orders relayed down the chain to them. Yesterday's judgement is about the cops that entered the apartment, not the people who got the warrant.


who do you think "gets warrants"? and who got this warrant?
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Sep 24 2020 01:08pm
Quote (Kayeto @ Sep 24 2020 02:00pm)
So are you saying that if a cop, who was tasked with executing a NK warrant, instead actually knocks on the door, then he has committed a crime?


I never said that. You asked if a no-knock warrant was in place. I answered that.

My question is with regard to putting the officers carrying out the NK raid at higher risk by knocking, and potentially not announcing that they were police (this is still a disputed question), when they didn't have to knock at all, according to the warrant. I also question the necessity to even acquire a NK warrant on a residence that the police themselves deemed to be a "soft target".

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Sep 24 2020 01:14pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 24 2020 03:07pm)
who do you think "gets warrants"? and who got this warrant?


Probably not the same individuals who fired the shots.

The lack of charges against the people who fired shots at Taylor is the news that broke yesterday. That's the current hot topic. The process of acquiring the warrant, however shady it may be, seems unrelated when judging the legality of the shots fired.

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Sep 24 2020 01:24pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 24 2020 03:08pm)
My question is with regard to putting the officers carrying out the NK raid at higher risk by knocking, and potentially not announcing that they were police (this is still a disputed question), when they didn't have to knock at all, according to the warrant.


Your question is regarding that. But what is the actual question? That's what I'm having trouble zeroing in on.

Are we going under the assumption that the officers were supposed to not knock, and thus criticizing them for knocking (if they did)?

Or are we running with the idea that the officers should have knocked, then criticizing them if they didn't?

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