Nobody is asking Trump to occupy himself. A single statement of "Yes, I condemn the neo nazis" would have been sufficient. Instead he waffled back and forth, saying "good people at the rally" when it was an explicitly white supremacist rally, then after pressure saying "I condemn white supremacy, but there were good people on both sides". It actually looks worse for Trump that he wouldn't outright condemn these groups when, as you say, the media has slammed them, his own party slammed them, and he was pressured to slam them by his own party. Your own argument as to how they were handled by the public at large actually makes Trump's actions worse.

As for the BLM protests, you have to take the full context. They peacefully protested for years and got nothing out of it. They are fighting against an abuse that absolutely exists, and has a direct and unbroken chain back to the same abuse they suffered during their fight for civil rights, and the protests have been peaceful for most days with mostly separate riots, and has had many instances of the police outright targeting the peaceful groups and journalists who are clearly separate. Not in all cases mind you, but there have been clear police abuse against the protests from day one.

I don't necessarily see these two things as directly comparable, because they are historically on exact opposite sides. The Neo-Nazi and KKK stuff is directly on the side of the oppressors that the BLM and Antifa movements are fighting against. KKK and Neo-Nazi have historical baggage whereas BLM's short history was peaceful until recently. Etc. Etc. I don't think direct comparisons between these things are useful.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Aug 31 2020 09:32am

The resistance you see proves their point. Their methods feel like a personal attack. Because trump clan has the racist element and they get triggered and feel motivated to fight it not listen. SAME THING I say about trump.

lefty klantifa member/blm organization volunteer goes and murders someone, and the usual suspects are bringing up the other democrat klan (the kkk) as an excuse?? what the hell lmfao

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It goes WAY back
In the South, however, the economics that drove the creation of police forces were centered not on the protection of shipping interests but on the preservation of the slavery system. Some of the primary policing institutions there were the slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts, Potter says; the first formal slave patrol had been created in the Carolina colonies in 1704. During the Civil War, the military became the primary form of law enforcement in the South, but during Reconstruction, many local sheriffs functioned in a way analogous to the earlier slave patrols, enforcing segregation and the disenfranchisement of freed slaves.

Trump has issued statements condemning neo nazis. He just didnt do it in a way that would have confirmed the narrative the media was trying to tell in that moment, namely that neo-nazism is on the rise and an imminent threat.



How exactly have those pale pasty privileged antifa folks "suffered abuse" by a racist America? Their violence is directly undermining the progress that BLM and the push for racial justice initially made after George Floyd's murder. With that kind of allies, the black community doesnt need enemies.

If the protests had remained peaceful like they initially were, if the looters, arsonists and the antifa dorks had stayed home, this movement would have picked up more and more momentum and propelled Biden/Democrats to a landslide victory coupled with trifecta control. Instead, at the current rate, they're gonna give Trump the opening he needs to win reelection.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 31 2020 09:42am

Trump has issued statements, after refusing to do so in a way that David Duke has explicitly said he considers a sign of support. I've been over this about 10 times now. When king-KKK says "When you refuse to condemn then wait 3 days to condemn I see that as a wink since you can't outwardly show support", and then he keeps doing that, it means at least he's being irresponsible with his rhetoric and at worst is making a calculated showing of implicit support. Neither of which we should accept from his office.



Like I said, we can disagree with their methods, but they are different from groups like the KKK in that one has good motivations with questionable methods, and the other is shit all the way down.

If the protests had remained peaceful there's no guarantee anything would have gotten done. We've seen peaceful protests for a long time now. Why would this have been any different? Something something doing the same thing and expecting different results.

Trump did specifically call out neo-nazis / white supremacists and condemned them unequivocally.

I think we should hold Biden to the same standard. Condemn antifa and the "mostly peaceful" protestors unequivocally and stand by actual peaceful protests.

Torching cities and running lynch mobs is oppression. I would go so far as to say that these movements are far worse than KKK rallies where one or two losers show up, because these riots are filled to the brim with poorly educated extremists actively sabotaging public order.

When the President of the United States chooses his words and rhetoric based on the opinion of David Duke, he's giving the chief-racist far more influence and power than he deserves. If we seriously expect the president to say "B" whenever David Duke says "A", we effectively turn the president into Duke's lap dog.

And just for the record: yes, Trump handled this whole episode badly, he could and should have found a way to distance himself from white supremacists more clearly while refusing to play along with the expectations of the liberal media.




We havent seen peaceful protest at this scale in a long long time. In fact, the last time we saw such a large peaceful protest movement, huge civil rights legislation was passed. Also note how BLM made inroads with white America, getting majority support from them for the first time ever, shortly after Floyd. If you look at the partisan breakdowns, it's clear that BLM must have made inroads with GOP voters during that time. Due to the riots, those gains are now gone.

And last but not least, the politician and party standing in the way of the "progress" on this issue (Trump/the GOP) are very weakened by an external shock (the pandemic and the economic crisis induced by it). There was a real chance that swing voters with "racially conservative" opinions (say the pivotal Obama-Trump voters in the Midwest) would have gone with Biden this time, based on Trump's mishandling of the coronavirus crisis. But not when the alternative is burning cities and violent mobs roaming free because the police is either defunded or held back by woke Democratic mayors and governors.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 31 2020 10:09am

By this rationale fascism has "good motives".

The protesters are burning down cities, impoverishing the local community, encouraging violence against police (another one dead), and killing or trying to kill random people they don't like.

Suffice to say their motives look bad and their methods are atrocious.

It's really a dumb comparison. The reason why denouncing Nazis in 2020 isn't a deal is because honestly you could probably count them on your fingers. Like society has moved so far from that ideology that it has become an unspoken understanding that supporting them is objectively wrong. Secondly, they haven't been relevant for decades. Like who the fuck is scared of the KKK in 2020? I'm a foreigner that's a bit on the brown side, I've driven and been around the south, not once did i feel threatened by white supremacists elements. I wouldn't even feel scared if i was there in Charleston walking about because all of those inbred fucks have been tamed by society in what they would actually do to a non typical northern European white.

Meanwhile, Antifa is literally a thing in multiple cities across the states that no one can deny if they're being honest. You talk to some of these people and they very much have a 'if you aren't with me, you're against me' mentality. If you're a small business owner in some of these areas refusing to put up signs or voice support for them you're absolutely getting targeted. Even if you show support it doesn't matter as the mob doesn't always respond in a logical way, that's why you have so much violence against black owned businesses, people, other allies.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Aug 31 2020 10:43am