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Jun 16 2020 09:31pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ 16 Jun 2020 21:16)
I think something beyond PaRD is truly what's unhealthy for you, and humbly encourage you to do some introspection. Your callousness is both surprising on an individual level, but also when considering your line of work.

The idea that you're comfortable holding leverage and denying emergency services so as to prove some kind of 'point' is baffling. It's in clear, stark contrast to the Code of Ethics that anyone in a helping profession adheres to.


I appreciate you calling me out and reminding me of central tenets of my profession. I think I have allowed the toxicity of modern-day politics to affect me and my posts too much.

I also have not infrequently viewed politics and political discussions as a "game" of sorts that is interesting to follow, to analyze, to discuss. I am so very isolated from many or even most of the effects that are talked about. Trump is something that doesn't even feel real to me, only something on a TV screen or a URL of a tweet. I'm desensitized to mass shootings and the violence I see on my phone and computer screen. What's real anymore?

I actually think this 'derealization' is a common phenomena in modern day American politics, potentially compounded by being behind a keyboard and feeling less inhibited and more anonymous. I think it has made our society more callous and less understanding of each other and meaner, especially when engaging online.

And for that, I do believe I need some time for introspection. I actually verbalized this to my wife today, how I don't like how negative I've become these past few weeks. Thank you for calling me out and nudging me in the right direction. I also think PaRD is not the best place for this type of change. Will miss you.
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The thing is, to "make an example" out of CHAZ, to teach its residents and leftists across the country about the actual value of police - to do any of that, you need a capital crime or a medical emergency to occur inside of CHAZ to which authorities do not respond, or at least not quick enough. So whoever wants to "let it go" in order to teach its proponents a lesson must willingly sacrifice the health or even life of an innocent person.

I, for my part, find this idea unacceptable. I'm fine with the authorities letting the kids play anarchists for a little while, but once there's a serious emergency inside the zone, the fun and games MUST be over immediately. If there's a building on fire, rape or murder taking place or someone having a heart attack, the police, medics and firefighters must go in there without hesitation (and clear their path to the site of emergency by any means necessary).




They are not OF the US. They made that choice. If they need help, all they have to do is walk out.


/e The other option is civil war. I don't think anyone wants that.


/ee

CHAZ: Yeah, we wanna secede from the Union, but we need some things... here's a list.

FED: Uh yeah, we'll get right on that. :/

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Jun 16 2020 09:48pm
any news about someone pulling a death wish yet?
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Jun 16 2020 10:02pm
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The thing is, to "make an example" out of CHAZ, to teach its residents and leftists across the country about the actual value of police - to do any of that, you need a capital crime or a medical emergency to occur inside of CHAZ to which authorities do not respond, or at least not quick enough. So whoever wants to "let it go" in order to teach its proponents a lesson must willingly sacrifice the health or even life of an innocent person.

I, for my part, find this idea unacceptable. I'm fine with the authorities letting the kids play anarchists for a little while, but once there's a serious emergency inside the zone, the fun and games MUST be over immediately. If there's a building on fire, rape or murder taking place or someone having a heart attack, the police, medics and firefighters must go in there without hesitation (and clear their path to the site of emergency by any means necessary).


PaRD is full of eccentric characters, many of whom hold wildly different and opposing views than myself, but in all my years in and out of PaRD I would say that the recent posts in this thread are in a league of their own. I haven't felt this much revulsion at a post in PaRD in literal years.

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Jun 16 2020 11:00pm
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PaRD is full of eccentric characters, many of whom hold wildly different and opposing views than myself, but in all my years in and out of PaRD I would say that the recent posts in this thread are in a league of their own. I haven't felt this much revulsion at a post in PaRD in literal years.


Excuse me, but why? I explicitly said that authorities should respect the little project as long as it stays on an acceptable trajectory, but that they must intervene immediately if someone's life is on the line and needs to be rescued.

Sorry, but I genuinely dont get why this would be a controversial post. :unsure:
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Jun 16 2020 11:09pm
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Excuse me, but why? I explicitly said that authorities should respect the little project as long as it stays on an acceptable trajectory, but that they must intervene immediately if someone's life is on the line and needs to be rescued.

Sorry, but I genuinely dont get why this would be a controversial post. :unsure:


I was replying in agreement with your post, and reflecting on the posts of others who don't share your same view. I could have made that more clear. My apologies.

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Jun 17 2020 12:16am
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I was replying in agreement with your post, and reflecting on the posts of others who don't share your same view. I could have made that more clear. My apologies.


Ah, okay then. And np, I shouldnt get as easily offended anyway. It's a general, lifelong weakness of mine. ;)

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Jun 17 2020 04:57am
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 16 2020 11:16pm)
I think something beyond PaRD is truly what's unhealthy for you, and humbly encourage you to do some introspection. Your callousness is both surprising on an individual level, but also when considering your line of work.

The idea that you're comfortable holding leverage and denying emergency services so as to prove some kind of 'point' is baffling. It's in clear, stark contrast to the Code of Ethics that anyone in a helping profession adheres to.


The situation is more complicated than that.

The mayor of a major city believes this represents the coming of a "summer of love". Media sources are romanticizing the movement and are too happy to ignore the troubling signs of violence and intimidation.

Authorities need to take into account the full consequences of their actions. Besides, it's really not safe for first responders to be in the zone. It's customary to have a police escort, after all.
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Jun 17 2020 05:33am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 17 2020 01:16am)
Ah, okay then. And np, I shouldnt get as easily offended anyway. It's a general, lifelong weakness of mine. ;)


I think the real weakness is your optimism. To shock the conscience of a nation, the nation has to have a conscience. If Kitty Genovese was gang raped and stabbed to death by a group of rioters in CHAZ tonight and nobody showed up to help her, by tomorrow morning I'd be reading on twitter about Kitty's politically incorrect social media posts, about her instigation and rumors about how its a false flag and someone claiming a picture of the bloodied body was a digital fake due to misidentified compression artifacting. I'd hear monologues by social activists about how a white woman's murder deserves no attention when black trans women are being murdered. I'd see posts removed from Reddit because moderators determined its only white nationalists trying to publicize her death to advance a racist narrative.

The US won't be shocked out of this spat of lawlessness because the conditions aren't primed in the public mind right now for outrage. Remember 'Kate's law'? It was a jury of Garcia Zarate's peer's that used jury nullification to spring him.
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Jun 17 2020 05:56am
Quote (duffman316 @ 17 Jun 2020 04:28)
Preacher assaulted in chaz, no freedom of religion here :o
Also one of the homosexual assailants kissed him
https://www.theblaze.com/news/street-preacher-chaz-autonomous-zone-video


Lol. Literally gives him a hug.

How awful.
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