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Jun 2 2020 09:12am
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 2 2020 11:08am)
The more accurate version of the clearing of Lafayette Square, not the church.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/us/politics/trump-st-johns-church-bible.html


And there's more... the protesters weren't "cleared" until the 7 pm curfew. And unless they can teleport, they wouldn't be gone BY the time of curfew.
Long story short... another group of idiots, breaking the law, were tear gassed.

Good for the police.


did you even read? my point of about them not being able to discern from protesters, rioters, and people who are either at their places of business or work (trump designated churches and their work essential). Still you are rolling around to deflect that this was violence perpetrated by trump.

In Lafayette Square, one of the visiting priests attending to St. John’s was sprayed with tear gas as she tried to help scared demonstrators leave the area, said Bishop Budde, who was not at the church when Mr. Trump visited.

Bishop Budde denounced the way the president held up a Bible during his visit, a move she interpreted as a political prop.

“The Bible is not an American document,” she said. “It’s not an expression of our country. It’s an expression of the human struggle to serve and love and know God.”

The president has been an infrequent visitor to St. John’s, but attended a church service there on the day of his inauguration. Since his election, the church has been dragged into the backdrop of some of Mr. Trump’s most partisan fights. Last spring, Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel who led the investigation surrounding the Trump campaign’s ties to Russian interference in the 2016 election, drew a gawking crowd outside St. John’s before his report was released.
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Jun 2 2020 09:13am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jun 2 2020 10:58am)
It doesn't even need that.
As stated in previous post you R nuts jobs think the only option is more or MORE force.
if trump was an actual leader he could stop it without. But you are encouraging our country to become the Middle East.
Good job.


You're in denial.

Trump cannot "arrest" the other officers. He is not in a position to apologize for how a Democratic police force in a blue state operates. Policing is an immensely complicated issue that we may never fully solve.

Obama was undoubtedly a more measured man than Trump, and he failed abysmally on this exact same issue, setting the table for what we see today.

The immediate problem is violence. You don't stop violence by pulling back the police and leaving cities at the mercy of an incoherent, violent mob.
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Jun 2 2020 09:14am
Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 2 2020 11:13am)
You're in denial.

Trump cannot "arrest" the other officers. He is not in a position to apologize for how a Democratic police force in a blue state operates. Policing is an immensely complicated issue that we may never fully solve.

Obama was undoubtedly a more measured man than Trump, and he failed abysmally on this exact same issue, setting the table for what we see today.

The immediate problem is violence. You don't stop violence by pulling back the police and leaving cities at the mercy of an incoherent, violent mob.


did you really just blame obama for trumps 3 years of failure in office?

is there no scenario where you cannot bring up obama's name and instead just say trump, in his three years, is a failure?

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Quote (Budgeting @ Jun 2 2020 11:14am)
did you really just blame obama for trumps 3 years of failure in office?


If you struggle with reading comprehension, please stop replying to my posts.
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Jun 2 2020 09:18am
Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 2 2020 11:15am)
If you struggle with reading comprehension, please stop replying to my posts.


what i read is you being unable to reference trumps failures without bringing up obama.

obama has been out of office for 3 years.

you referenced that obama was bad and is the reason why we are seeing what we are seeing today.

nothing about trump being 3 years in office with 2 of them repubs controlling house, senate, and executive branch and doing absolutely nothing with it.
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Jun 2 2020 09:19am
Quote (Budgeting @ Jun 2 2020 11:12am)
did you even read? my point of about them not being able to discern from protesters, rioters, and people who are either at their places of business or work (trump designated churches and their work essential). Still you are rolling around to deflect that this was violence perpetrated by trump.

In Lafayette Square, one of the visiting priests attending to St. John’s was sprayed with tear gas as she tried to help scared demonstrators leave the area, said Bishop Budde, who was not at the church when Mr. Trump visited.

Bishop Budde denounced the way the president held up a Bible during his visit, a move she interpreted as a political prop.

“The Bible is not an American document,” she said. “It’s not an expression of our country. It’s an expression of the human struggle to serve and love and know God.”

The president has been an infrequent visitor to St. John’s, but attended a church service there on the day of his inauguration. Since his election, the church has been dragged into the backdrop of some of Mr. Trump’s most partisan fights. Last spring, Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel who led the investigation surrounding the Trump campaign’s ties to Russian interference in the 2016 election, drew a gawking crowd outside St. John’s before his report was released.




Yeah, I read and I look too. You claimed Trump had the "church" tear gassed. This I assume, would be this BOARDED UP church. The church that was boarded up long before th police arrived to disperse the people who were still there after curfew.
The police must have used those special tear gas canisters that travels through.... plywood, in order to have tear gassded the church and the workers inside. LOL


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/us/politics/trump-st-johns-church-bible.html









Just another inaccurate spin by our favorite neighborhood Fender boy. :/

This post was edited by Ghot on Jun 2 2020 09:22am
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Jun 2 2020 09:20am
Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 2 2020 08:13am)
You're in denial.

Trump cannot "arrest" the other officers. He is not in a position to apologize for how a Democratic police force in a blue state operates. Policing is an immensely complicated issue that we may never fully solve.

Obama was undoubtedly a more measured man than Trump, and he failed abysmally on this exact same issue, setting the table for what we see today.

The immediate problem is violence. You don't stop violence by pulling back the police and leaving cities at the mercy of an incoherent, violent mob.


jesus.. I have no idea how to even respond to this.. we just devolved into "its Obama's fault" so we need to shoot people.
I'm out.. We expect more from our leaders of mid sized companies than trump.. yet it always devolves into whataboutisms..
waste of time.
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Quote (theCrossbones @ Jun 2 2020 11:20am)
jesus.. I have no idea how to even respond to this.. we just devolved into "its Obama's fault" so we need to shoot people.
I'm out.. We expect more from our leaders of mid sized companies than trump.. yet it always devolves into whataboutisms..
waste of time.




Ya can't have it both ways bro. You stated innumerable times, that it's not Trump's economy, it's Obama's.
Yet now you're claiming, it's not Obama's police issues, it's Trump's.

Get your story straight bro. :/


/e Inb4 well the economy and the police are different issues. The economy takes longer to react to the POTUS than the police forces do.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jun 2 2020 09:26am
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Quote (Ghot @ Jun 2 2020 11:19am)
Yeah, I read and I look too. You claimed Trump had the "church" tear gassed. This I assume, would be this BOARDED UP church. The church that was boarded up long before th police arrived to disperse the people who were still there after curfew.
The police must have used those special tear gas canisters that travels through.... plywood, in order to have tear gassded the church and the workers inside. LOL


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/us/politics/trump-st-johns-church-bible.html

https://i.imgur.com/d1ZYCfZ.png







Just another inaccurate spin by our favorite neighborhood wacko. :/


the events that i was referring to happened 20 minutes before curfew was up.

i thought gov imposed lockdowns were tyrannical? so its ok to break the law if you are protesting lockdowns for coronavirus and not this? They were doing nothing.

this occurred outside the church grounds.

why are you in denial of actual church wokers giving first hand accounts of what happened? so these people are "never trumpers" now becausue they spoke to what happened? Why are you denying first hand accounts and creating your own narrative which is false.
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Quote (Ghot @ Jun 2 2020 11:25am)
Ya can't have it both ways bro. You stated innumerable times, that it's not Trump's economy, it's Obama's.
Yet now you're claiming, it's not Obama's police issues, it's Trump's.

Get your story straight bro. :/


riding the coattails of 10 years of economic expansion is not trump's work.

furthermore, you see how volatile and brittle the economy actually once shaken up.

there is a difference in trends and having 3 yrs of all branches of gov to actually do something of note.
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