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May 9 2020 06:15pm
I watched the footage, what exactly did he steal?
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May 9 2020 06:28pm
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I watched the footage, what exactly did he steal?


Maybe something, maybe nothing, maybe the stuff that was scattered on the ground along the path he was running near the shooting
Burglary is defined by trespassing into a property with intent to steal, whether or not you're successful.
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Maybe something, maybe nothing, maybe the stuff that was scattered on the ground along the path he was running near the shooting
Burglary is defined by trespassing into a property with intent to steal, whether or not you're successful.


what stuff?

also, it's funny how you can determine a dead man's intent from a surveillance video shot from across the street, but not the intent of two very much still alive racists filmed murdered a man in broad daylight...
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May 9 2020 07:17pm
"Georgia lynching".

People really don't reasonably analyze cases. The good ol pitchfork mob with torches mentality pulling through.
Seems like a Covington part 2.

Since it involves two different racial parties, specifically one with a white party and black party. Add in the usage of "ex-cop", and "unarmed blackman". The media loves it, even though being unarmed isn't even true necessarily when you factor in that he was shot while fighting over a shotgun. Racist claims are going to follow, the media loves trying to start race wars.

Two guys pursue Ahmaud because they had evidence of what appeared to be Ahmaud committing burglaries in a video, which they say they still have. They said in the video it appeared like he had been armed at that time. So they brought guns in their pursuit. Supposedly the footage is also from their friend who was following them.

Now, they pursued him because he matched a black suspect, supposedly. To call that racist, isn't good evidence. If the suspect in the video was a white male in a neon yellow hoodie, and they then saw a white male in a neon yellow hoodie jogging through the neighborhood, would they have taken the same action of chasing after the guy?

Now, this is my take. It was a stupid idea for those two guys to pursue him. Should have just called the cops if they thought he was a suspect. If they thought he had a gun, that's all the more reason to leave it to the cops.

Instead, they pursued after him. The guy gets out of his truck with a shotgun, which is just going to escalate a situation.
You see Ahmaud charge the guy with the shotgun. And they then struggle over the shotgun. It's a situation that is obviously going to end bad (also why I'm a huge proponent of how dumb open carry is).

Ahmaud gets shot. Is it murder? Doesn't seem like it to me.
I mean, in that moment of a struggle over a shotgun you have to assume that whoever gets the shotgun will shoot the other.

I see a lot of claims, with nothing backing it up.
All the video shows is two people fighting over a shotgun, and one getting shot?
(Unless some new shocking evidence has been released that I haven't heard about it)

Should the situation have gotten to that point, definitely not. Both parties made stupid decisions if what I've analyzed is true.

Burglarizing property, charging an armed man. Dumb idea.

Pursuing a suspect, and stepping out of your vehicle with a shotgun. Dumb idea.

However, to turn the situation into a racial battleground with people like LeBron James saying black people are being hunted and can't safely jog through white neighborhoods. Sounds pretty stupid to me.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on May 9 2020 07:46pm
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May 9 2020 08:10pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ May 9 2020 06:19pm)
It feels like the best way to get away with murder is to just walk up gun drawn and tell them you are going to shoot them.


How do you know this is what they said? Where in the footage were these words heard?
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May 9 2020 08:15pm
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How do you know this is what they said? Where in the footage were these words heard?


They could have, the word of a corpse means little.
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May 9 2020 08:21pm
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They could have, the word of a corpse means little.


They could have, and it's also completely possible they didn't. So, it really has no significance at all.

I mean, all we have are the McMichael's story. These two footage clips. And Ahmaud's mom saying he was going jogging.
That's it. Or to my knowledge at least.
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May 9 2020 08:23pm
Wouldn't it be poetic if some vigilantes just shot these two dudes? Live by the sword, die by the sword sort of thing. Ideally, the dispenser of justice would be Native American.
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Now, this is my take. It was a stupid idea for those two guys to pursue him. Should have just called the cops if they thought he was a suspect. If they thought he had a gun, that's all the more reason to leave it to the cops.

Instead, they pursued after him. The guy gets out of his truck with a shotgun, which is just going to escalate a situation.
You see Ahmaud charge the guy with the shotgun. And they then struggle over the shotgun. It's a situation that is obviously going to end bad (also why I'm a huge proponent of how dumb open carry is).

Ahmaud gets shot. Is it murder? Doesn't seem like it to me.
I mean, in that moment of a struggle over a shotgun you have to assume that whoever gets the shotgun will shoot the other.


So you think that as long as, when I threaten you with a shotgun, you opt to defend yourself instead of run away, then I'm fine to shoot you?

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 9 2020 08:27pm
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So you think that as long as, when I threaten you with a shotgun, you opt to defend yourself instead of run away, then I'm fine to shoot you?


What i think is that if you fight a guy who is carrying a firearm and attempt to take away the firearm, there's a good chance one of you two are going to get shot. And that each party, is going to assume that whomever gains control over the firearm in the physical altercation will shoot the other.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on May 9 2020 08:36pm
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