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Nov 29 2019 04:34pm
Quote (Bazi @ Nov 29 2019 05:00pm)
I hope you're not making the false assumption that I identify as a liberal

instead of deflecting, maybe you can answer the question that was proposed to endless



1. do you believe removing an ectopic pregnancy is murder?

2. do you believe willingly leaving an ectopic pregnancy is negligence?

if the answer to the above are yes and no respectively, tell me what you suggest should occur


Ill talk to a real doctor before I believe it.
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Nov 29 2019 04:37pm
Quote (Ghot @ Nov 29 2019 04:24pm)
Yeah, sorta like Russiagate and Ukrainegate. We only have one left leaning article so far. We don't have the text of the bill.

/e People on both sides of the abortion issue... lie.


Text of the bill: http://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/solarapi/v1/general_assembly_133/bills/hb413/IN/00?format=pdf

Quote (This Stupid Fucking Bill)
Sec. 2904.35. A physician who does all of the following is
not subject to criminal prosecution, damages in any civil
action, or professional disciplinary action, for a violation of
this chapter:
(A) Using reasonable medical judgment, believes it is
highly probable that the pregnant woman will die from a certain
fatal condition before her unborn child is viable;
(B) Performs a surgery, before the unborn child is viable,
for the sole purpose of treating the pregnant woman's fatal
condition;
(C) Takes all possible steps to preserve the life of the
unborn child, while preserving the life of the woman. Such steps
include, if applicable, attempting to reimplant an ectopic
pregnancy into the woman's uterus
.


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Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Nov 29 2019 05:30pm)
Actually we do, it's literally in the article. Try reading it.




Dude, the bill is 700 pages. <---- That's in the article.



/e

Quote (Surfpunk @ Nov 29 2019 05:37pm)


Quote
Sec. 2904.35. A physician who does all of the following is
not subject to criminal prosecution, damages in any civil
action, or professional disciplinary action, for a violation of
this chapter:
(A) Using reasonable medical judgment, believes it is
highly probable that the pregnant woman will die from a certain
fatal condition before her unborn child is viable;
(B) Performs a surgery, before the unborn child is viable,
for the sole purpose of treating the pregnant woman's fatal
condition;
(C) Takes all possible steps to preserve the life of the
unborn child, while preserving the life of the woman. Such steps
include, if applicable, attempting to reimplant an ectopic
pregnancy into the woman's uterus.



Ok, so we're good then. " A physician who does all of the following is NOT subject to criminal prosecution, damages in any civil
action, or professional disciplinary action, for a violation of
this chapter:"

I don't see the problem. Or the reason for the article itself, except to scare people. The docs have an out. It's right there... three conditions.

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Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 29 2019 04:34pm)
Ill talk to a real doctor before I believe it.


You know bazi is a doctor right?
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Nov 29 2019 04:39pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Nov 29 2019 04:37pm)


"If applicable" is doing a shit ton of leg work in that sentence.
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Nov 29 2019 04:40pm
Quote (Ghot @ Nov 29 2019 04:38pm)
Dude, the bill is 700 pages. <---- That's in the article.


Page 184, starting at line 5365
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Quote (Ghot @ Nov 29 2019 05:38pm)
Dude, the bill is 700 pages. <---- That's in the article.




Now tell me more about how we don't know what's in the bill when it's literally right there.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 29 2019 05:38pm)
You know bazi is a doctor right?


Both newspapers claim to be as well. Surely you understand a conflict of interest.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 29 2019 04:43pm)
Both newspapers claim to be as well. Surely you understand a conflict of interest.


Please continue, because I can't follow your train of thought here. Are you saying that doctors have a conflict of interest that is making them say the procedure is impossible?
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You guys KNOW I type slow. Have mercy. LOL



Quote (Surfpunk @ Nov 29 2019 05:37pm)


Quote
Sec. 2904.35. A physician who does all of the following is
not subject to criminal prosecution, damages in any civil
action, or professional disciplinary action, for a violation of
this chapter:
(A) Using reasonable medical judgment, believes it is
highly probable that the pregnant woman will die from a certain
fatal condition before her unborn child is viable;
(B) Performs a surgery, before the unborn child is viable,
for the sole purpose of treating the pregnant woman's fatal
condition;
(C) Takes all possible steps to preserve the life of the
unborn child, while preserving the life of the woman. Such steps
include, if applicable, attempting to reimplant an ectopic
pregnancy into the woman's uterus.



Ok, so we're good then. " A physician who does all of the following is NOT subject to criminal prosecution, damages in any civil
action, or professional disciplinary action, for a violation of
this chapter:"

I don't see the problem. Or the reason for the article itself, except to scare people. The docs have an out. It's right there... three conditions.






/e

Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Nov 29 2019 05:41pm)
https://i.imgur.com/1LGzS4f.png

Now tell me more about how we don't know what's in the bill when it's literally right there.



Yeah. So the article is just a scare tactic. There's no harm no foul for docs.

This post was edited by Ghot on Nov 29 2019 04:46pm
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