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Oct 25 2019 01:16pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 25 2019 01:54pm)
Your hyperbolic claims of me never criticizing republicans are not the extent of your dishonesty.
I pointed out several blatant falsehoods and lies. Cowardly hiding behind hyperbole isn't legitimate.
You chose to attack me instead of my arguments.


I mean i didn't say anything until about act 4 of the conversation. you're the one who posted about 12 "why wont anyone refute my claims!" posts. i just thought i'd answer, its because you're kind of a cunt.

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It's really hard to have any opinion on the testimony so far, as we've gotten almost all of it filtered through a man who promised us he was personally aware of evidence that the president of the United States actively colluded with Russia.

If you guys fall for this a second time I'm going to be beyond embarrassed.


i dont think there's a single poster here who expects evidence to come out that sways the Senate into voting for removal.

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Oct 25 2019 01:19pm
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Senator Lankford Calls for Transparent Impeachment Process
WASHINGTON, DC – Senator James Lankford (R-OK) today cosponsored a Senate resolution to condemn the House of Representatives' closed-door impeachment inquiry process. The resolution was led by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and Senator Lindsey Graham, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.


“If House Democrats are as serious about impeachment as they’re acting, they should apply an equal level of gravity to the process they think is so important,” said Lankford. “Speaker Pelosi couldn’t even wait for the whistleblower report before calling for an official impeachment inquiry. House Democrats have spent days questioning witnesses behind closed doors and then telling the American people the things they should know in a thirty-second soundbite. Why don’t they trust the American people to make their own conclusions based on the facts? If the Democrats in the House wish to continue down this path, it needs to be pursued in a transparent fashion worthy of the Constitution and intelligence of the American people.”


The resolution:

calls on the House of Representatives, prior to proceeding any further with its impeachment investigation into President Trump, to vote to initiate a formal impeachment inquiry;
calls on the House of Representatives to provide President Trump, like every other American, with due process, to include the ability to confront his accusers, call witnesses on his behalf, and have a basic understanding of the accusations against him that would form any basis for impeachment; and
calls on the House of Representatives to provide members of the minority with the ability to participate fully in all proceedings and have equal authority to issue subpoenas and other compulsory process.


50 cosponsors

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Oct 25 2019 01:20pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 25 2019 03:16pm)
I mean i didn't say anything until about act 4 of the conversation. you're the one who posted about 12 "why wont anyone refute my claims!" posts. i just thought i'd answer, its because you're kind of a cunt.



i dont think there's a single poster here who expects evidence to come out that sways the Senate into voting for removal.


You responded incorrectly claiming they were refuted.

I treat trash like trash when they come at me and lie about me.
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Oct 25 2019 01:21pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 25 2019 03:00pm)
It's really hard to have any opinion on the testimony so far, as we've gotten almost all of it filtered through a man who promised us he was personally aware of evidence that the president of the United States actively colluded with Russia.

If you guys fall for this a second time I'm going to be beyond embarrassed.


You know Republicans leak too, right? I've yet to see any stories including serious exculpatory information for Trump, apart from Ratcliffe talking about how the Ukrainians didn't know the aid was withheld until after the phone call between Zelensky and Trump.

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Oct 25 2019 01:40pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 25 2019 02:20pm)
You responded incorrectly claiming they were refuted.

I treat trash like trash when they come at me and lie about me.


you responded incorrectly claiming incorrectly that people literally thought you never criticize trump.

see we can do this all day. you're a guy who uses semantics and overly rigid language to try and win arguments. that's the kind interpretation that doesnt involve some sort of social impairment where you're not able to pick up on things like common phrases, sarcasm, or hyperbole. if you've legit got that feel free to pm me, i'm not trying to kick someone while they're down. but if you're not then that just means you try to manipulate conversations in direction you know people aren't going to score internet points. do what you like, ive done the same many times. just dont act like the other person is being unreasonable when they clearly want to have a conversation and you want to have a debate. not sure if that message will sink through to a Crowder fan tho. that's you cringey neckbeards best play in the book. "ha ha, i see you're walking to class. try and refute these facts cuck!" you're basically PARD's crowder, underwhelming but present humor and all.
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Oct 25 2019 01:40pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 25 2019 12:00pm)
It's really hard to have any opinion on the testimony so far, as we've gotten almost all of it filtered through a man who promised us he was personally aware of evidence that the president of the United States actively colluded with Russia.

If you guys fall for this a second time I'm going to be beyond embarrassed.


I certainly didn't fall for the Russia collusion nonsense because it's pretty clear that Trump is woefully incompetent. Do I think the President obstructed justice when it came to the investigation though? Yea, I do. 3 out of the 10 instances outlined in the Mueller report were red lines crossed IMO. He probably should have been censured for that.

As for Ukraine, the facts are already there. Whether or not there's an explicit quid pro quo is irrelevant in that the President abused his power. Any objective person could see that investigating Biden is baseless if you follow the timeline from the beginning. The pressured pressured a foreign country to dig up dirt on a political opponent through his personal attorney. If you don't think that's abuse, then I don't know what to tell you.
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Oct 25 2019 01:57pm
These proceedings are functionally identical to that of a grand jury. Witnesses give depositions, and the grand jury determines if there is sufficient evidence to recommend or issue an indictment (in this case, impeachment, rather than indictment).

You know what else is closed to the public? Grand jury hearings.

This post was edited by Surfpunk on Oct 25 2019 02:08pm
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Oct 25 2019 01:59pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Oct 25 2019 02:57pm)
These proceedings are functionally identical to that of a grand jury. Witnesses give depositions, and the grand jury determines if there is sufficient evidence to recommend an indictment (in this case, impeachment, rather than indictment).

You know what else is closed to the public? Grand jury hearings.


and to make it worse, this would be like a grand jury being stormed by a mob that has 4-5 members of the jury in the mob.
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Oct 25 2019 02:15pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 25 2019 02:54pm)
Your hyperbolic claims of me never criticizing republicans are not the extent of your dishonesty.
I pointed out several blatant falsehoods and lies. Cowardly hiding behind hyperbole isn't legitimate.
You chose to attack me instead of my arguments.


Don't you get tired of this
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Oct 25 2019 02:32pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 25 2019 02:19pm)
You just got through saying the silence is deafening. You cant have your cake and eat it too.

'He never criticizes Trump or Republicans' is much different than ' WAHH he doesn't criticize Trump as much as I would like him to because he has different beliefs and views issues differently than me'
You guys should go with the latter if you want to be more honest. Doesn't seem to pack the same punch tho.


Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 25 2019 02:22pm)
literal cam strikes again. now you're doing it with commonplace phrases too?

i've seen offensive lineman on wind-sprints put in more effort.


At this point I believe it is cognitive.


Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 25 2019 03:40pm)
you responded incorrectly claiming incorrectly that people literally thought you never criticize trump.

see we can do this all day. you're a guy who uses semantics and overly rigid language to try and win arguments. that's the kind interpretation that doesnt involve some sort of social impairment where you're not able to pick up on things like common phrases, sarcasm, or hyperbole. if you've legit got that feel free to pm me, i'm not trying to kick someone while they're down. but if you're not then that just means you try to manipulate conversations in direction you know people aren't going to score internet points. do what you like, ive done the same many times. just dont act like the other person is being unreasonable when they clearly want to have a conversation and you want to have a debate. not sure if that message will sink through to a Crowder fan tho. that's you cringey neckbeards best play in the book. "ha ha, i see you're walking to class. try and refute these facts cuck!" you're basically PARD's crowder, underwhelming but present humor and all.


If you disagree with Cam you're an ignorant liar who hates freedom.

This post was edited by Skinned on Oct 25 2019 02:37pm
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