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Nov 10 2018 12:10am
Quote (fender @ Nov 9 2018 11:43pm)
strange how countries without such a gun epidemic are not only safer, but also have more freedom... guess you ppl just don't know how to use them properly.
oh, and considering the equipment of modern armies (bombs, missiles, tanks, aircraft, drones...), your little dick replacements would obviously do nothing. in case you haven't noticed, it's not the 18th century anymore...

lastly, the fact that you can't even acknowledge blatantly obvious truths like the car industry spending loads of money to make cars safer (and again, the analogy is fallacious and retarded to begin with), just illustrates how entirely dishonest and irrational you are...


Educate yourself on the history of revolts and how they shaped the current geopolitical map before you continue to embarrass youself.

The argument that the people should forfeit their most powerful weapon simply because the government has created other limited-use weapons, such as bombs, tanks and aircraft, fails to logically follow. Essentially, you’re arguing that because we’re now less powerful as a citizenry, we should go ahead and sacrifice all remaining power to the state.

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Educate yourself on the history of revolts and how they shaped the current geopolitical map before you continue to embarrass youself.

The argument that the people should forfeit their most powerful weapon simply because the government has created other limited-use weapons, such as bombs, tanks and aircraft, fails to logically follow. Essentially, you’re arguing that because we’re now less powerful as a citizenry, we should go ahead and sacrifice all remaining power to the state.


no, i'm arguing that your wet 'armed citizenry resistance' dreams are completely unrealistic and blatantly ignore the political and societal realities of our times.

you know what is much more likely than heroic americans successfully overthrowing their oppressive government with their precious ar-15s? unstable and gun crazy idiots killing their fellow countrymen by the tens of thousands each year. you guys are so tribal and divided that it's a hundred times more likely you will fight each other in a civil war over race, religion, and political affiliation than it is that you unite against your imaginary terror state.
hell, most of you gun crazy hillbillies would and DID support the infringement of your freedoms without any protest to speak of, and will do it gladly again if just the 'others' get hit a little bit harder.

if anything, your guns are being used against you to further that divide between the lower classes and control you with fear and violence - while ironically giving you the illusion of 'freedom' and 'power'. why do you think your cops are so trigger happy? sure, they are badly trained, but they also know that every american could be a potentially lethal threat - because every moron has a gun, and the worst of them are naive little gun romantics like you, dreaming of being the hero, the good guy with a gun who will save the day, completely oblivious to the fact that they are statistically making their direct environment, family, and themselves much more unsafe with their delusions...
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Nov 10 2018 02:58am
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no, i'm arguing that your wet 'armed citizenry resistance' dreams are completely unrealistic and blatantly ignore the political and societal realities of our times.

you know what is much more likely than heroic americans successfully overthrowing their oppressive government with their precious ar-15s? unstable and gun crazy idiots killing their fellow countrymen by the tens of thousands each year. you guys are so tribal and divided that it's a hundred times more likely you will fight each other in a civil war over race, religion, and political affiliation than it is that you unite against your imaginary terror state.
hell, most of you gun crazy hillbillies would and DID support the infringement of your freedoms without any protest to speak of, and will do it gladly again if just the 'others' get hit a little bit harder.

if anything, your guns are being used against you to further that divide between the lower classes and control you with fear and violence - while ironically giving you the illusion of 'freedom' and 'power'. why do you think your cops are so trigger happy? sure, they are badly trained, but they also know that every american could be a potentially lethal threat - because every moron has a gun, and the worst of them are naive little gun romantics like you, dreaming of being the hero, the good guy with a gun who will save the day, completely oblivious to the fact that they are statistically making their direct environment, family, and themselves much more unsafe with their delusions...



100% on point tbh.
Evidence can be seen in the instance where the white guy with a gun started patronizing the black family for their parking and then shoots and kills someone who did not deserve to die.
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Nov 10 2018 03:17am
Quote (HeLiCaL @ Nov 8 2018 05:03pm)
more than 70.000 ppl die per year of drug overdoses

leftist coward el-stupido willing to call out democraps taking money from big pharma at the same time refusing to secure border against Drug Cartel product influx ?


The war on drugs and the gun violence have one thing in common: lazy backseat politicians think that it can be solved by just making everything illegal.

I look forward to the day American politicians start actually trying to fix the country's society. It'll be a good day.
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Nov 10 2018 04:49am
Quote (IchBinDaddy @ Nov 10 2018 08:58am)
100% on point tbh.
Evidence can be seen in the instance where the white guy with a gun started patronizing the black family for their parking and then shoots and kills someone who did not deserve to die.


lol, o'fender 100% on point tbh?!?! This is 100% incorrect.

I think there are probably other things that could be address before we just go ahead and get rid of constitutional rights. Such as mental health problems, drug problems, cultural problems. Your example is just really poor tbh, I mean the dude could just have easily killed the other person with a knife, or a bat, or a 2x4, or a shovel. If it was sadly over something so small as a parking space, does it seem like a gun problem or maybe the guy was just a crazed lunatic who snapped? R u thinking a ban on guns would have prevented the death in this instance?

Anyway, o'fender once tried to convince me that America should take on more immigrants, while stating that Germany should not. ANd openly admitted to resenting the immigration that had taken place in his country. He resents America just as Merkel does the German flag...
So I wouldn't full heartedly agree with his take on American issues when he is not even an American, and I don't even know his experience if any. Take for instance, yes America is quite divided at this point in history. But he just seems to completely forget or omit past history. Certain events can bring the nation together to become the strongest country to ever wave a flag on this earth. We have multiple examples thru history. Also references pasts infringements on freedoms but gives ZERO examples... Attributes police shootings to "trigger happy", on edge cops with poor training. While this is part of the issue it certainly is not the full picture once again...
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Nov 10 2018 04:57am
Quote (fender @ Nov 10 2018 01:37am)
so what's the number of innocent children, students, church- movie- and concert-goers you'd be willing to sacrifice before you start considering that something has to happen, that something has to significantly change? 100k? 500k? more?

btw, that moronic car analogy is fundamentally flawed. just because there are things that kill more people doesn't mean you should just dismiss a certain issue. maybe google 'relative privation'. also, cars aren't even in the same category, they are absolutely vital for our societies, unlike guns their primary function is NOT to inflict damage or kill, and car manufacturers as well as taxpayers spend billions each year to make traffic as safe as possible and prevent human losses. by your fallacious logic we might as well stop researching cancer cures because more people die from heart diseases...

it never ceases to amaze me that people still consider this a valid point...


Judging from people's reactions to terrorism, the number of innocent people that need to die for the whole country to be up in arms is 1.

The thing that makes a difference is who the killer is. Only if the killer is someone who fits in the "them" of America's "us versus them" mentality, it is recognized as a problem.
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Nov 10 2018 08:34am
Quote (GuyLadouche @ Nov 10 2018 05:49am)
lol, o'fender 100% on point tbh?!?! This is 100% incorrect.

I think there are probably other things that could be address before we just go ahead and get rid of constitutional rights. Such as mental health problems, drug problems, cultural problems. Your example is just really poor tbh, I mean the dude could just have easily killed the other person with a knife, or a bat, or a 2x4, or a shovel. If it was sadly over something so small as a parking space, does it seem like a gun problem or maybe the guy was just a crazed lunatic who snapped? R u thinking a ban on guns would have prevented the death in this instance?

Anyway, o'fender once tried to convince me that America should take on more immigrants, while stating that Germany should not. ANd openly admitted to resenting the immigration that had taken place in his country. He resents America just as Merkel does the German flag...
So I wouldn't full heartedly agree with his take on American issues when he is not even an American, and I don't even know his experience if any. Take for instance, yes America is quite divided at this point in history. But he just seems to completely forget or omit past history. Certain events can bring the nation together to become the strongest country to ever wave a flag on this earth. We have multiple examples thru history. Also references pasts infringements on freedoms but gives ZERO examples... Attributes police shootings to "trigger happy", on edge cops with poor training. While this is part of the issue it certainly is not the full picture once again...



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Nov 10 2018 08:42am
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Nov 10 2018 09:33am
Quote (fender @ Nov 9 2018 04:37pm)
i don't know. what are the percentages? do you have a source for that kind of stuff because i tried to google it and couldn't find anything...


where's the crime at + where's the dems at = who done the crime

that shits been up on the front page of this thread for days, you're the only one silly enough to challenge something with that much face validity.
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Nov 10 2018 10:35am
Quote (thesnipa @ 10 Nov 2018 16:33)
where's the crime at + where's the dems at = who done the crime

that shits been up on the front page of this thread for days, you're the only one silly enough to challenge something with that much face validity.


crime is the highest where most people live, shocker. i'm not even challenging, i'm asking you for sources because i couldn't find any. apparently you can't either. so cool story, bro...
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