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#141
Mar 9 2018 06:38am


Even WITH the steel industry shut down in Pittsburgh, we still pulled 2.65 billion last year.
If Trump gets it going again, I know a lot of people who will be ecstatic.
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Mar 9 2018 06:52am
Yeah, we have no reason at all to think that protectionism is a bad idea.
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Mar 9 2018 07:38am
Quote (Leevee @ Mar 9 2018 08:52am)
Yeah, we have no reason at all to think that protectionism is a bad idea.


Thats ironic coming from your country :rofl:
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Mar 9 2018 08:02am
Quote (Ghot @ Mar 9 2018 12:44pm)
Not low skill anymore.
When the US gave up on the steel industry it ripped the souls from most of the people in the northeast of the US.

The US gave up big steel cause of the pollution it caused.
In the 60's and the 70's when I was young, we lived in upper middle class suburbia about 20 miles from Pittsburgh, PA.
Every morning you could smell the sulfur dioxide form the steel mills. (the rotten egg smell)
Almost every family, no matter their actual job, was involved in the steel business in one way or another.

Most of the steel mills shut down in the 80's and them steam cleaned Pittsburgh. All the buildings were black with soot.
When I came back to Pittsburgh in the late 90's I couldn't believe how "clean" the buildings were.
We never even knew what color the buildings were until they cleaned them.

It was a bad time in one way (during the big steel years), but almost everyone made a really decent living.
Then the mills shut down and it tore the heart out of Pittsburgh, among many other cities.

Maybe NOW they will recover their old glory. ^^



/e Guess where the largest iron ore deposits in the world are located?

Baffin Island, Canada... with an estimated 4 billion tons of iron ore. It is kind of on the Arctic Circle though, only 3.5 months of daylight per year.


It blows my mind that you can think of this as the "good old days".
Sounds pretty shithouse to me.
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Mar 9 2018 08:18am
Quote (Leevee @ 9 Mar 2018 13:52)
Yeah, we have no reason at all to think that protectionism is a bad idea.


a certain amount of protectionism is completely normal and happening all over the world as we speak

unfortunately trump does not seem to have a plan, but feel free to point how trying to get the steel industry back on track to provide supplies and keep wealth in your own country is a bad idea

especially the left should embrace the effort to create jobs for those who have lost everything
the traditional left at least, not the globalist maniacs we have now
they dont even realise how much of a useful pawn they are for corporations to make the highest possible profit
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Mar 9 2018 08:24am
Quote (ampoo @ Mar 10 2018 01:18am)
a certain amount of protectionism is completely normal and happening all over the world as we speak

unfortunately trump does not seem to have a plan, but feel free to point how trying to get the steel industry back on track to provide supplies and keep wealth in your own country is a bad idea

especially the left should embrace the effort to create jobs for those who have lost everything
the traditional left at least, not the globalist maniacs we have now
they dont even realise how much of a useful pawn they are for corporations to make the highest possible profit


Yep, those robber baron steel mill owners were a much better alternative to the corporations.
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Mar 9 2018 12:07pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 9 2018 09:02am)
It blows my mind that you can think of this as the "good old days".
Sounds pretty shithouse to me.




Yeah, it sounds that way to me too. But it still FEELS like the good old days.
Mainly because, in this area at least, everyone was doing better financially.

Most people back then "lived" in suburban areas, that were really nice, and just the city of Pittsburgh was dirty. It was a small factory town. Geographically, Pittsburgh is a fairly small town.


Here's a pic of downtown Pittsburgh in 1925, when steel was really "king". The steel mills of course, aren't in the pic. They sort of surrounded the downtown area out to about 15-20 miles away.






Here is a pic from 2007 after it was all cleaned up. But keep in mind, that it didn't get any larger, sq. miles wise. And the average person is definitely not doing as well, financially.







That big building in the downtown area is...you guessed it, the U.S. Steel building.


I don't think anyone in the Pittsburgh area wants the pollution back, but these days, they have ways to deal with that. Ways they either didn't have at all, or were barely understood back then.
But I can guarantee, that Pittsburgh, and many other towns in the northeast, in the US, would love to get the jobs back.
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#148
Mar 9 2018 12:15pm
anyone claiming tariffs cause a Net gain in jobs has a middle school level understanding of economics.

if you want to shill at least use the shortsighted but less incorrect ofthevoid style "well if we hurt ourselves for a while we'll come out ahead at some point because we can take more shots than them in a prize fight"
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Mar 9 2018 12:23pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 9 2018 01:15pm)
anyone claiming tariffs cause a Net gain in jobs has a middle school level understanding of economics.

if you want to shill at least use the shortsighted but less incorrect ofthevoid style "well if we hurt ourselves for a while we'll come out ahead at some point because we can take more shots than them in a prize fight"




No one is claiming the tariffs cause a net gain in steel jobs.
Trump is claiming that he wants to start up the steel industry in the US again. I actually posted where he said it.

Two separate but slightly related subjects. Do try to keep up. :)
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#150
Mar 9 2018 12:27pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 9 2018 03:02pm)
It blows my mind that you can think of this as the "good old days".
Sounds pretty shithouse to me.


Nostalgia is pleasant for a reason. Even when it was worse, the memories from the past are often romanticized in ones mind.

Politicians have been making use of it, not to sell progress but rather regress to the 'good' old days.
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