Correct, affordable meat consumption is completely insignificant when affordable food access of other types is available.

Nobody in developed nations will die or face malnutrition by meat being a bit more expensive. Meat is wholly unnecessary to a healthy diet, if not outright dangerous. Not to mention the coming availability of e.g. in vitro meat.

The more important point is that even if I am being far too conservative about the negative effects of such an event as factory farming elimination, it still will be orders of magnitude lesser than the harm reduction it would provide to the tens of billions of animals that are tortured under the system.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Jan 4 2018 06:37am

This is debatable. It's possible to have no nutritional deficiencies as vegan but it requires a ton of effort and potentially supplementation since vitamin b12 is mostly only found in animal products.

Morally though , factory farming of animals is categorically wrong for sure. But the narrative that meat is evil nutritionally is just stupid and really ignores the reality that vegan diets aren't exactly superior to vegetarian or mixed diets.

'Let them eat plants'
Check your privilege Queen PETA.

Affordable meat is a huge boon to the lives of many poor people, even when you dont approve of their choices.

Why are you still here if reducing animal suffering is more important than human lives and poor people having access to more affordable food?
You kill countless animals on a daily basis and your consumption habits contribute to even more death and suffering.
I can only imagine how many animals are killed in the production of the Cleveland Cavaliers.

The reality is there's a very simple solution to replacing meat production but it involves something Humans have a natural disliking for and that's insects.

Insects could be used to fulfill all human nutritional needs as a fraction that anything else does.

It's a very complicated issue for me at least. I've made a considerable effort though to curb how much red meat I eat though now and meat in general.

And I'm not interested in going vegan because it's just not worth the nuisance it causes my life to make sure I don't become anemic.

Synthetic meat though seems like it might become viable and when that becomes the case, I hope people get on board.

But the friends/co worker I talk to about synthetic meat or meat potentially grown in a lab and free of animal abuse , they have a pretty sad perspective that they wouldn't be willing to switch because people just seem to distrust anything that isn't "natural" even though these people say they wouldn't eat synthetic meat but they eat fast food which to be honest , not sure how it could be any worse than that.

This post was edited by sir_lance_bb on Jan 4 2018 08:55am

Nobody said anything about veganism (I don't think, anyway).



Again, we're talking about vegetarianism, not veganism.



nah

lmk if you ever grow up

not a very compelling argument.

your anti-human views are detestable, but i decided to respond rather lightheartedly while still getting the point across that your views were wrong and hypocritically inconsistent.

strawman



nope



and?

again, lmk if you ever grow up and decide to put any thought into your posts

This post was edited by Voyaging on Jan 4 2018 10:58am

you were rather clear in your reasoning.

'affordable meat consumption is completely insignificant'
'even if I am being far too conservative about the negative effects of such an event as factory farming elimination, it still will be orders of magnitude lesser than the harm reduction it would provide to the tens of billions of animals'

You downplayed affordable meat and the possible negative consequences of eliminating it as no big deal because you dont think they should be eating meat and you dont think its an important part of a diet, and even if it is a bigger deal than you were saying its nothing compared to the animals who suffer and die.


you can say 'nope' but its a fact.
if you take a stroll through your yard you kill plenty.
breathing, cleaning up your house, etc.

what are you some kind of speciesist? bug lives dont matter?



you dont see anything interesting or relevant about the fact that you are advocating against affordable meat for poor people on the grounds that animals are killed but living a relative life of luxury without regard for animals killed in the production of things you are a fan of?

what do you think was thoughtless about what i said? or in my posts in general? im clearly one of the more intellectual and contemplative posters here.

Like i said my post was partially lighthearted. not meant to be completely serious, but it appears i've microaggressed against you and for that im sorry.

ive been trying to train my hive to fetch but so far there seems to be something about certain types of animals that makes them different than other types of animals, will report back once i figure it out.

Horses and dogs are food