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Dec 17 2016 10:41am
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Okay Harry Truman.


TIL of the insignificance of the Iron Curtain and constant global threat to democracy among free people.

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Dec 17 2016 10:49am
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TIL of the insignificance of the Iron Curtain and constant global threat to democracy among free people.


...and you also ignored the significance of Harry Truman pushing them to become a threat, considering that had FDR not died, we might not have even had a Cold War.
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Dec 17 2016 11:09am
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...and you also ignored the significance of Harry Truman pushing them to become a threat, considering that had FDR not died, we might not have even had a Cold War.

the left has been taking the military industrial complex into overdrive after their election humiliation on Nov 9 2016
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Dec 17 2016 11:12am
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...and you also ignored the significance of Harry Truman pushing them to become a threat, considering that had FDR not died, we might not have even had a Cold War.


I doubt that considering how Stalin behaved immediately with the land grabs. The Soviets never left a place their soldiers win and occupied. It wasn't a global conflict to them it was and is The Great National War. They didn't leave Germany until the 80s, they would probably still have half of Japan. The two sole winners of WW2, the NWO (NATO v Warsaw) was the new paradigm and it was happening no matter what. Russia and China have faced mass starvation repeatedly through their histories at the whims of royal families and foreign powers and their attitude is a lot different than ours, people concerned about freedom sounds childish to them.

If we didn't make the bomb first and use it to demonstrate we can easily kill any capital city or production capability with no way to defend from it things would have gone on much longer. FDR was a Great Man in History. Truman was just a man thrown into extraordinary circumstances and succeeded through dedication and hard work. He made hard decisions, and they were beneficial to the US, Europe, Japan, and Australia. Japan is still kind of bitter because they were mercilessly nuked for example and because they might have won the bloodbath that would be defending their home island. US Marines on one side and Red Army on the other side vs a concentrated and dedicated centralised Japanese army in a civilian packed urban environment on mountainous terrain? Would be pretty exciting...might even top Operation Barbarossa.

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Dec 17 2016 11:19am
Today's dose of news: the constitution is unconstitutional

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-jost-electoral-college-20161216-story.html
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Dec 17 2016 11:29am
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Today's dose of news: the constitution is unconstitutional

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-jost-electoral-college-20161216-story.html


It says OP Editorial really big on top for everybody to see. You just don't know what that means. And he just describes two different ways laws are made; there are about five.

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Dec 17 2016 11:31am
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I doubt that considering how Stalin behaved immediately with the land grabs. The Soviets never left a place their soldiers win and occupied. It wasn't a global conflict to them it was and is The Great National War. They didn't leave Germany until the 80s, they would probably still have half of Japan. The two sole winners of WW2, the NWO (NATO v Warsaw) was the new paradigm and it was happening no matter what. Russia and China have faced mass starvation repeatedly through their histories at the whims of royal families and foreign powers and their attitude is a lot different than ours, people concerned about freedom sounds childish to them.

If we didn't make the bomb first and use it to demonstrate we can easily kill any capital city or production capability with no way to defend from it things would have gone on much longer. FDR was a Great Man in History. Truman was just a man thrown into extraordinary circumstances and succeeded through dedication and hard work. He made hard decisions, and they were beneficial to the US, Europe, Japan, and Australia. Japan is still kind of bitter because they were mercilessly nuked for example and because they might have won the bloodbath that would be defending their home island.


"How Stalin behaved" with land grabs was a result of Truman reversing FDR's positions from the Yalta Conference with his "get tough" policy with the Soviets.
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Dec 17 2016 11:37am
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"How Stalin behaved" with land grabs was a result of Truman reversing FDR's positions from the Yalta Conference with his "get tough" policy with the Soviets.


It is hard to believe that is what turned Stalin into a meglomaniac leading secret police and purging subversive elements through extrajudicial murder and into a man willing to commit any crime in the name of national greatness and ideogical purity. He wasn't insane like Hitler either, he was doing this as a rational actor.

After the Nazis were killed it was time to harden up to the communists. They were like Nazis themselves in their totalitarianism. I think if left alone free market fundamentalism will turn into something like those societies in terms of respect to the individual and openness in society.
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Dec 17 2016 11:43am
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It is hard to believe that is what turned Stalin into a meglomaniac leading secret police and purging subversive elements through extrajudicial murder and into a man willing to commit any crime in the name of national greatness and ideogical purity. He wasn't insane like Hitler either, he was doing this as a rational actor.

After the Nazis were killed it was time to harden up to the communists. They were like Nazis themselves in their totalitarianism. I think if left alone free market fundamentalism will turn into something like those societies in terms of respect to the individual and openness in society.


lol, you're so over the top on that.
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Dec 17 2016 11:46am
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lol, you're so over the top on that.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Society_and_Its_Enemies

You can probably find a copy on the internet somewhere for free. Give it a read.

Any society founded on objective truth or with an objective goal for history cannot help but turn totalitarian in character and these ideologies are enemies to open society.

It's a pretty good argument. Austrian Jew in the Middle of WW2 espousing philosophy countering the Nazi and Communist. Him and Bonehoffer (Christian) were very brave in doing that. Camus too.

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