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Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 25 2016 03:31pm)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_European_Union#List_of_incidents

Sort by casualties and it's pretty clear why Islamic terrorism is a serious concern.

The future promises more and more of these sort of attacks. You can't take in millions of immigrants and not assimilate them. You can't assimilate them because your national culture is tied intrinsically to ethnicity.

These immigrants really need to come to the United States (which integrates immigrants as successfully as anywhere), but geography pretty much prohibits it.


That is inaccurate, and it isn't even close (note that there were over 100 attacks in 2013 alone that are not listed in your link).. for over a decade now the number 1 terrorist threat in Europe have come from ethno-nationalist/separatist groups, who incidentally are the ones most passionately against taking in outsiders





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Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 25 2016 04:20pm)
You're a rand. No one cares.

1% of the population is responsible for 10% of the terrorism. Do you realize how fucked that is?



It's actually closer to 5% according to FBI data, also terrorism makes up 0.21% of all homicides in the US.
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Quote (TCassa89 @ Mar 25 2016 10:00pm)
That is inaccurate, and it isn't even close (note that there were over 100 attacks in 2013 alone that are not listed in your link).. for over a decade now the number 1 terrorist threat in Europe have come from ethno-nationalist/separatist groups, who incidentally are the ones most passionately against taking in outsiders



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Terrorist_Attacks_in_the_EU_by_Affiliation.png


But that's a graph on number of attacks, not number of deaths or any other relevant metric.
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But that's a graph on number of attacks, not number of deaths or any other relevant metric.


...nor does it consider ambition . Only militant Islam is at war with the world .
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Quote (Voyaging @ Mar 25 2016 07:38pm)
But that's a graph on number of attacks, not number of deaths or any other relevant metric.


This is true, but the graph was actually from the very same wiki page. The point I was trying to make is there were 152 attacks in 2013 that weren't listed on the wiki page, and over 500 attacks in 2007 in which only 1 was listed. Since 2005 the number of casualties from nationalist terrorism has outnumbered the number of casualties from Islamic terrorism (in Europe)

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It's actually closer to 5% according to FBI data, also terrorism makes up 0.21% of all homicides in the US.


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This is true, but the graph was actually from the very same wiki page. The point I was trying to make is there were 152 attacks in 2013 that weren't listed on the wiki page, and over 500 attacks in 2007 in which only 1 was listed. Since 2005 the number of casualties from nationalist terrorism has outnumbered the number of casualties from Islamic terrorism


How do you know that? The graph lists failed attempts as well.
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Quote (TCassa89 @ Mar 25 2016 09:00pm)
That is inaccurate, and it isn't even close (note that there were over 100 attacks in 2013 alone that are not listed in your link).. for over a decade now the number 1 terrorist threat in Europe have come from ethno-nationalist/separatist groups, who incidentally are the ones most passionately against taking in outsiders



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Terrorist_Attacks_in_the_EU_by_Affiliation.png


Islamic terrorism in Europe is an existential threat to the normal European way of life. A few isolated killings aren't. You don't need to lock down Paris because the National Front is gaining popularity. You do need to lock down Paris when radicalized Muslims can't stop killing people.

You're lumping separatists in with all nationalists, you're being facetious. And I'm not entirely sure why you're looking at historical trends when the rise of ISIS is a pretty recent phenomenon.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 25 2016 07:45pm)
8%


Perhaps in casualties, but again the casualties of terrorism make up 0.21% of all homicides in the US. According to FBI data, between the years of 1980 and 2005, Islamic extremism made up 6% of terrorist plots

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How do you know that? The graph lists failed attempts as well.


I wasn't getting that information from the graph

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Islamic terrorism in Europe is an existential threat to the normal European way of life. A few isolated killings aren't. You don't need to lock down Paris because the National Front is gaining popularity. You do need to lock down Paris when radicalized Muslims can't stop killing people.

You're lumping separatists in with all nationalists, you're being facetious. And I'm not entirely sure why you're looking at historical trends when the rise of ISIS is a pretty recent phenomenon.


The national front actually holds seats in parliament, I would consider them a bigger threat to the way of life in Europe than any terrorist organization.. also, we're not talking about a few isolated killings, we're talking about hundreds and hundreds more killings than all religious terrorism combined


As for the rise of ISIS, again they are not a particularly strong force, they have an overall net worth of about 2 billion, and they have about 50,000 members worldwide. In comparison, the drug cartels in Mexico make between 30 to 50 billion in a year, and the Sinaloa cartel alone has around 100,000 members.

ISIS isn't a significant threat to Europe, however they are a serous threat to the unstable regions of Iraq, Syria, and Libya. The US is actually a more dangerous place than Europe, not because of terrorism but because of internal crime, which in part is related to the drug cartels

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