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Jun 30 2014 06:15pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jun 30 2014 10:45pm)
...not losing salvation does not mean a person can not lose their faith .


so salvation can be granted by a passing moment of faith? the requirement isn't continuous faith?
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Jun 30 2014 06:21pm
Quote (Neptunus @ Jun 30 2014 08:15pm)
so salvation can be granted by a passing moment of faith? the requirement isn't continuous faith?


...no , that also adds to the Biblical teaching . Paul did not say we are saved by grace through continuous faith . If you believe in your heart that Christ died for the full payment of your transgressions past , present and future you are open to Gods saving grace .
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jul 1 2014 02:21am)
...no , that also adds to the Biblical teaching . Paul did not say we are saved by grace through continuous faith . If you believe in your heart that Christ died for the full payment of your transgressions past , present and future you are open to Gods saving grace .


even if i don't believe in his divinity, but only in his intention?
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 30 Jun 2014 20:11)
...no , it is not . You are adding to the Christian teaching that we are saved by grace through faith ; faith alone , not faith plus repentance .


Be careful teaching that false doctrine. You will have to answer to it one day. Faith is ALWAYS used as a verb in the scripture. Verb = action. Faith is not simply belief. It is also repentance and baptism. Peter taught that in the very first gospel sermon in Acts 2:38. He told the crowd what they had done to Christ and how they are sinners. They asked "what must we do to be saved?!!?" I'm sure you know Peter's response (or you should). It was not simply belief or faith. James teaches about this false doctrine of yours as well.

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You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.


What separates our belief from the demons belief? ACTION. James teaches that and the scriptures validate it. This message (repent and be baptized) began with John the Baptist. It was echoed by Jesus (Matt. 28), and the apostles later taught the same message (as shown in Acts). Repentance and baptism are coupled with salvation everywhere in the New Testament. To ignore it is ignoring the very foundation that was established. So again be careful with false doctrine.

Do you have to give to the poor to be saved? Nope. Do you have to be a good person? Nope. Do you have to feed the hungry? again, no. Hopefully as a Christian you will, but it is not required for salvation. Faith is not deeds, faith is action through confession, repentance, and baptism. Don't confuse the two.
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Quote (wofire @ 30 Jun 2014 09:49)
John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
This is why Christians are such obnoxious people always trying to convince people about it. 67% of the World are not Christians. I would say half of claimed Christians probably aren't Christians. So let's say 80% of the World aren't Christians. Then Yes I believe 8/10 people will be going to hell. Am I prideful about that, no. I find it very sad. Now this is when you say, That is not fair! How can God do that?!

God's qualities are seen throughout nature so men are without excuse to see God.
All men have a chance to live a perfect life, but no man does.
Since all men fall short of perfection, all men deserve hell.
Some men don't go because they have entrusted their lives into Jesus and the grace of God and not on their own work based merit.


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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 30 Jun 2014 21:21)
...no , that also adds to the Biblical teaching . Paul did not say we are saved by grace through continuous faith . If you believe in your heart that Christ died for the full payment of your transgressions past , present and future you are open to Gods saving grace .


everyone would like it to be that easy.
it sounds to me more like lazy to strive in our moral improvement.

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Quote (Dune1 @ Jun 30 2014 08:27pm)
Be careful teaching that false doctrine. You will have to answer to it one day.  Faith is ALWAYS used as a verb in the scripture.  Verb = action.  Faith is not simply belief.  It is also repentance and baptism.  Peter taught that in the very first gospel sermon in Acts 2:38.  He told the crowd what they had done to Christ and how they are sinners.  They asked "what must we do to be saved?!!?" I'm sure you know Peter's response (or you should).  It was not simply belief or faith.  James teaches about this false doctrine of yours as well.



What separates our belief from the demons belief? ACTION.  James teaches that and the scriptures validate it.  This message (repent and be baptized) began with John the Baptist.  It was echoed by Jesus (Matt. 28), and the apostles later taught the same message (as shown in Acts). Repentance and baptism are coupled with salvation everywhere in the New Testament.  To ignore it is ignoring the very foundation that was established.  So again be careful with false doctrine.

Do you have to give to the poor to be saved? Nope.  Do you have to be a good person? Nope.  Do you have to feed the hungry? again, no.  Hopefully as a Christian you will, but it is not required for salvation.  Faith is not deeds, faith is action through confession, repentance, and baptism.  Don't confuse the two.


...are you trying to scare me ? :rofl:


....and on the next point baptism is not required for salvation .
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...are you trying to scare me ?  :rofl:


....and on the next point baptism is not required for salvation .


Scripture should scare you, not me. But I'm sure even the holy word doesn't scare a devout person like yourself. ;)

You can refute the scriptures all you want. Take it up with God, not me. :D
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Scripture should scare you, not me.  But I'm sure even the holy word doesn't scare a devout person like yourself. ;)

You can refute the scriptures all you want. Take it up with God, not me. :D


...you should have thought about that before you posted " You will have to answer to it one day " .
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 30 Jun 2014 20:35)
...you should have thought about that before you posted " You will have to answer to it one day " .


Which further backs what you just bolded. You will have to take up with God one day your false doctrine you have adhered to. You can refute me all day long, but you can't refute scripture. But I guess if you want to be a cherry picker you can. Free-will and all that good stuff.
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Jun 30 2014 06:40pm
Quote (Dune1 @ Jun 30 2014 08:37pm)
Which further backs what you just bolded.  You will have to take up with God one day your false doctrine you have adhered to.  You can refute me all day long, but you can't refute scripture.  But I guess if you want to be a cherry picker you can.  Free-will and all that good stuff.


...you might want to learn to not be so judgmental .
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