as far as the original post i agree with a bit, the idea of ever one being born with out sin and you are responsible for your actions,

well ill start with sin, like sin is what happens when you make a choice, if you steal and you get caught bam sin, when you judge and otheres judge you and you get caught out, bam sin.

so like sin is free will, is that choice to suffer those consequences.

so god gave us free will, but it was being ruined by turning into the law because people were creating laws so they dindnt have to go as far as they really should be when they could and people were also feeling like they were forced to do a certain amount because it was law. so jesus or possibly some guy came along and saw this said no im going to do more then that, and im going to show these praisees that enforce the law how much more to the bible i am then them.

and people came up and started following this guy and going that extra mile, giving their jacket, and the "religious" people didnt like this so they persecuted him, and at some point he realized, if i do this long enough im going to die.

now on top of this, the old testament is for a group of nomads know as the Israelite, where as the new testament is for all man kind.

now you put these 2 together, and what him dieing for our sins really means is that his story is still around today 2000 years later and you have the choice to travel the same path or not, free will is the sin, you have to choose a path so really sin or no sin its still all left up to you.

so i do think some guy around 2000 years ago traveled around preaching the bible (perhaps after living in india for a little bit) untill he was killed so his story would still be around 2000 years later, but that dosnt mean that the core of our beliefs are that much different.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Aug 10 2012 08:12am

Except... you know... we are talking about ANGELS here. I'm pretty sure 3 angels chilling around would have some significance to your narrative, regardless of what your narrative happened to be, and especially in this case. How on earth could someone omit divine extraordinary beings that nobody has ever seen from a narrative attempting to establish the divinity of a person in their presence? That's like writing a Jurassic Park novel and forgetting to mention the dinosaurs.

Besides, if you actually read the texts, you'll see that it's quite inconsistent in other ways too.
John, for example, says that Mary found the stone rolled away already when she approached the tomb, and she ran and got the other disciples. They ALL ran back (it even talks about who ran faster), entered the tomb, found no sign of Jesus, and left. Mary stayed behind and cried, and then suddenly saw two angels in the tomb. Nobody else was there.
Matthew says that Mary come to the tomb, the stone was still in place, an angel came down to roll it away and told her that Jesus is gone. The disciples never went to the tomb. Also, there were guards who saw the angel and told the priests about it back in town.

How can you combine the two? That's a pretty large difference in narrative.

Reading these stories carefully provides information to the reader that Jesus never died.

...who are you trying to convince and for what reason ?

Reading them carefully provides information that the writers are making half of it up from assumptions and their own imagination, and trying so very hard to convince all these suckers that it really did happen.
I mean, you read shit like John 20:30
"Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."
Oh yeah, he totally did other cool stuff that totally convinced us and would convince anyone else, but we aren't gonna tell you what! But he totally did do it, honest, so you better believe he's the son of god.

How can anyone not roll their eyes on this crap?

Don't blame it on that. Remember that the Bible is a translation of a translation of a translation of a lost copy of a translation, etc. Things will go wrong.



everyone, and the truth must be told. I'm not here for a 1 hit finish.

Uh, is that really how you read that?

Read it again.

.. but is there any truth to be found in you ? You have chosen to try and discredit the Bible in order to promote muslimism . Why are you hiding your true intentions ?

tl;dr

WRONG!!!!

The Gospels CLEARLY say that these women went ONLY!!!


Stop dodging and admit that they are clear contradictions ffs!!!