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What does this have to do with war?  How does this relate Christianity as a religion to war? Do you even know what the context of this passage is referring to?  Keep googling scripture, I find it quite funny.


It's hatemongering garbage. Please refer to my previous post.
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Nov 23 2009 08:22pm
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Evolution is the theory that small, random mutations in the genes take place upon reproduction. Natural Selection weeds out the weak, and progressively a better species comes along.
Intelligent Design is the theory that some organisms are designed / created by a being of higher intelligence than that of the human.

Completely contradictory. You can't say that something spawned from a random mutation in a gene and then say that someone designed that being.
The bible says God designed us in his image.
Evolution says we are the result of billions of years of RANDOM mutations.


You seem to have confused evolution and natural selection.

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You seem to have confused evolution and natural selection. 

Don't feel bad, happens all the time.


No, I haven't. You seem to have misread my post.
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Nov 23 2009 08:25pm
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No, I haven't. You seem to have misread my post.


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Genesis contradicts the theory of evolution.


That post, I mean.

Natural Selection is not a vital component of Evolution. It's the most logical conclusion available given a lack of evidence for God.
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That post, I mean.

Natural Selection is not a vital component of Evolution.  It's the most logical conclusion available given a lack of evidence for God.


What are you trying to do? Whether natural selection is a vital component of evolution or not is irrelevant. Evolution and Creationism are pretty much as opposite as you can possibly get.
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That post, I mean.

Natural Selection is not a vital component of Evolution.  It's the most logical conclusion available given a lack of evidence for God.


yes, it is?
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What are you trying to do? Whether natural selection is a vital component of evolution or not is irrelevant. Evolution and Creationism are pretty much as opposite as you can possibly get.


A creator -guiding- evolution makes the two perfectly compatible, however.

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yes, it is?


All it does is explain the mechanism the best that we know how to explain it, that's all. You can remove Natural Selection, replace it with God, and still have a pretty solid theory. Rather than the random vagaries of the universe picking those changes which are most advantageous, do a quick search-and-replace with "God" and it's still ticking along.

Mind you, it's completely unscientific and makes not even a lick of logical sense, but it still fits.

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A creator -guiding- evolution makes the two perfectly compatible, however.


Evolution is random. 99% of all the species that have ever walked this earth are extinct. This is because evolution randomly mutates a gene, and when you randomly mutate something there is a higher chance that it will do more damage than it does good. You believe that there is a creator out there guiding evolution into the horrible painful death of millions of species do you?
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Evolution is random. 99% of all the species that have ever walked this earth are extinct. This is because evolution randomly mutates a gene, and when you randomly mutate something there is a higher chance that it will do more damage than it does good. You believe that there is a creator out there guiding evolution into the horrible painful death of millions of species do you?


See, that's natural selection that you're describing, there. Not evolution.

And I don't personally believe in a creator at all, but it's certainly a possibility. Perhaps God needs to cull the weak for some reason we can't fathom, or something.
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A creator -guiding- evolution makes the two perfectly compatible, however.



All it does is explain the mechanism the best that we know how to explain it, that's all.  You can remove Natural Selection, replace it with God, and still have a pretty solid theory.  Rather than the random vagaries of the universe picking those changes which are most advantageous, do a quick search-and-replace with "God" and it's still ticking along. 

Mind you, it's completely unscientific and makes not even a lick of logical sense, but it still fits.


I'm not debating whether god can act as the "selector" in the process. I'm saying that natural selection is one of the major processes that contributes to evolution.

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You can remove Natural Selection, replace it with God, and still have a pretty solid theory. 

no?

Scientific theories have to falsifiable. How do you falsify god?
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