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Dec 21 2024 12:54pm

Quote (El1te @ 21 Dec 2024 11:49)

Doctors who tell parents that unless they surgically or hormonally "transition" their child, their child will kill themselves and blood will be on their hands.

That's coercion. That's 100% coercion. Anyone who argues against this is engaging in petty contrarianism at best, and treacherous sophistry at worst.

Of course. Which is why it's important to allow them to make the argument. Best to know who you're talking to, isn't it?

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Dec 22 2024 02:17am

Quote (Shadowoffury @ Dec 21 2024 04:52pm)

I know what I wrote and, again, both of those things are true. One is a direct comparison of spending between America and the EU, the other is American spending proportional to the spending of the entire world.

Here’s what you wrote.

This is not true. You tried to combine two true statements I made in order to invent a lie to support your own argument.

The American healthcare system is undeniably the system that solves the largest number of illnesses in the shortest period of time.

If you have evidence to the contrary then provide it because everything you’ve said so far has just been irrational attempts to rationalize your pre-conceived notions.

You also conveniently ignore that americans overpay by a lot to their own detriment for that system. You can spend money for medical R&D without skrewing your population

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Dec 22 2024 09:34am

Quote (SkySwallower @ Dec 22 2024 03:17am)

You also conveniently ignore that americans overpay by a lot to their own detriment for that system. You can spend money for medical R&D without skrewing your population

I didn’t ignore that. I mentioned specifically that it’s a sacrifice America makes for the good of all mankind.

You can spend as much as America does, proportionally, on medical research and still have socialized healthcare, hypothetically. It’s hypothetical because your country doesn’t come close and neither does any other country now or at any point in history.

The reason your country doesn’t spend significantly on medical research is because there’s nothing in it for them specifically. The reason America spends so much on medical research is because it directly affects profitability. Again, this is one way in which capitalism harnesses greed for the betterment of the entire human race.

If you want your country to start spending much much more money on research to be comparable to America I’m all for it, start writing to your leaders. I’d love to be proven wrong. I like socialized healthcare, I’m not against it or anything. It’s just a fact that if America switched over it would be bad for humanity.

This post was edited by Shadowoffury on Dec 22 2024 09:39am

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