Yeah, but we don't have to "face towards Mecca" five times a day.
Or worry about idiots with acid and knives.

Gun ownership in Europe is heavily regulated yes. There are outliers and less strict places but generally it is regulated.

How long until kids wear body armour to kindergarten?

Nah you fools just worry about being shot in the face at every angry road rage encounter instead.

That's way better.

The counterexamples I mentioned prove that it's not that simple, that more guns don't automatically equate more shootings, particularly not in a linear relationship ("X times more guns = X times more shootings").



You're overestimating the difficulty of obtaining guns in these two countries. In Switzerland, part of the country's defense strategy is a militia principle in which every male who completed his compulsory military training (a big majority of Swiss men had to undergo this training) gets to keep their guns afterwards and stores them somewhere in their home. In Finland, hunting licenses are not hard to come by at all.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 13 2024 09:51am

Its not complicated, more guns equate to more shootings. There is very little mitigating that.

Well I'm willing to bet in either of these countries a person with a criminal record of multiple offences, and a documented mental health history, of which showed emergency mental health issues would have rejected her.

Not overly difficult to understand to be honest. Its honestly amazing the mental gymnastics everyone goes through to justify everyone having guns.

This post was edited by SBD on Feb 13 2024 10:14am

I'm not against taking away the guns (or gun rights) of persons who have felonies on their criminal record, or who have somewhat-recently been institutionalized for serious mental health issues.

But make no mistake: Democrats/liberals/gun control advocates have far more wide-reaching goals than to "just" take care of the worst offenders, the biggest ticking time bombs. Most of them fundamentally reject the constitutional right to carry and bear arms and want to restrict gun rights of everyone, not just nutjobs and loons. They want to get a foot in the door with red flag laws and background checks, so that they can subsequently shift the goalposts and restrict the gun rights of sane, law-abiding citizens step by step, until they only exist on paper. And this is not just a conspiracy theory, that's exactly what has happened in countless blue states like New York, Maryland, the West Coast etc.

Beto didn't say "Hell yes, we're going to take AR-15s from criminals and crazies", he said "Hell yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47 (period)".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 13 2024 11:04am

I fail to see any issue at all. Most western countries make those restricted firearms which you cannot obtain. Oh yeah, they also have sustainably less gun related crime. Go figure.

Countries with hunting rifles, (bolt action, semi's and levers) + shotguns can do everything a gun would ever be required for in regard to normal civilian use. You don't need an AR or an AK for anything. A shotgun with a buckshot provides more home self-defence than either for the average civilian if that's what you honestly want a gun for and if that's the reason you want a gun I feel bad you live in such a shithole country where that level of paranoia exists in your brain. Birds, big game, small game, hobby shooting, wildlife self-defence, nothing else is required.

I live in the arctic around polar bears, grizzly bears, a ton of wolves and the pump shotgun is a go to for most people.

This post was edited by SBD on Feb 13 2024 11:15am

I know. It is unfortunate they can only afford AKs elsewhere. The ar is a nice platform.