To which I will reiterate: it also gets down to biology. People like physically fit and healthy people. Which means people within a healthy weight range, or as extreme as they can be. They can try to shove "plus size" models or beer-bellied, every-day-men in front of people to be avant-garde. But, at the end of the day, take note of who people ogle at. It'll be the Candace Swaenpools and Cristiano Ronaldos.

You might cook up some feel-good club for fatties to console each other; try to bullshit yourselves that you're all beautiful. But, biology will always dictate that you'd rather look like Candace Swaenpool and Cristiano Ronaldos.


This post was edited by CarsV on Aug 11 2016 08:05am

The greatest artists humanity has ever known could have painted anybody they want. Their Venus looked very different than ours.

People want to look like those people now, according to most media sources. Media sources from 500 years ago look a lot different.

Humanity in its present from and mood is a bridge.

I'd argue because their Venus was a product of their time and culture.

God forbid if Leonardo da Vinci saw Kim Kardashian. We'd have a Volkswagen Beetle in our art halls.

Also, people, particularly women, might've had some "pudge" on them back then, but they weren't... you know... Wal-Mart assistance caliber.

the problem is these people have given up on themselves and don't strive to be better, so they try claim their mediocre living standards as the new normal, form circle jerk groups to feel good about their obesity and cry oppression if people don't accept them as they are

they ought to be treated as addicts given that they're clearly addicted to food (most likely as a way to cope with other shit just like all other addicts) the goal should be to rehabilitate them

you won't hear anyone say drug addicts are oppressed and society should stop oppressing junkies yet we have food addicts going on tv, claiming they are being oppressed and discriminated against by employers only to be caught stealing cake moments later
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2300962/Obese-Jay-Cole-went-This-Morning-complain-fat-job-caught-stealing-cakes.html

Your interpretation of duffman's posts is not quite what I can make up from them.

Other than that I agree with you, except for one thing: when someone decides that they prioritize the joys of tasty food in excessive amounts over the joys of being healthy and fit, then it's their right to do so and they shouldn't be shamed even for that. Just like playing video games all day is detrimental to your social skills and smoking is bad for your health, eating all day is detrimental to your health. When a person deliberately accepts the cons because they enjoy the pros, and they're not harming anyone in the process, they should be free to do this.

The truly bad cases are the ones who overeat, then pretend to not overeat. But even those people don't deserve to be shamed -- in general, their problem stems either from bad discipline or a lack of self esteem, both of which only get worse when you make them feel self conscious about it. Proper education & motivation programs are the only solution.

This post was edited by howtodisappearcompletely on Aug 11 2016 08:22am

what you might as well be saying

This post was edited by duffman316 on Aug 11 2016 08:25am

Absolutely true. In fact I edited my post and mentioned smoking before you made this post.

The big difference is that even smoking one cigarette is unhealthy, while the line between good eating and bad eating is a bit more blurry for people who are bad with self discipline.

This post was edited by howtodisappearcompletely on Aug 11 2016 08:27am

you might not be aware of this but i'm a heavy handed statist and believe in intervening for the greater good, particularly in cases where the future of a nation is at risk

Oh you're absolutely right. It's every person's right to eat only the skin off KFC chicken and tubs of Ben & Jerry's Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough. But, the moment they enter the public realm where they are fair game to any and equal criticism, especially if they're in a modeling business, they need to accept the "basic" rules of criticism. They are no more special than anybody else; they get no special treatment.

This post was edited by CarsV on Aug 11 2016 08:29am

I was with you until the bold, then i realized i'd prefer to just be a bacon eating fatty if society would be so kind as to accept me.