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Oct 13 2023 05:54am
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Imagine if this was your family and all done by people who stole your land and there illegally.
I would go seek revenge at a concert too.
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Oct 13 2023 06:11am
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Serious questions: do you have social media?

Groups at Harvard and many other universities have put out statements blaming everything on Israel. DSA groups across America and the West have come together with rallies to condemn Israel. BLM Chicago put out an image aligning with "Palestine" by showing an image with a person in a hand glider, a refernce to Hamas flyign into Israel on gliders to rape, kidnap, and murder people at a music concert in Israel. I've seen videos of Jewish people at American universities sobbing because there are rallies going on dedicated to supporting what Hamas did.

I'm missing a bunch. It's so prevalent that I didn't think I had to cite what happened.


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Oct 13 2023 06:13am
Quote (sirthom @ 13 Oct 2023 13:54)
Imagine if this was your family and all done by people who stole your land and there illegally.
I would go seek revenge at a concert too.


What you think of this guy ?

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Oct 13 2023 07:49am
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can you point to some concrete examples of leftists actually advocating for the murdering of jewish infants and civilians? if true, that's ofc despicable, but it's really hard to believe that it is as widespread and generally accepted as you try to make it sound.

judging from just this thread, for example, it simply isn't true. there hasn't been a single "leftist" who hasn't condemned hamas' actions and labeled them as barbaric attacks on innocent civilians. nor have i seen a single leftist celebrate or even advocate the murder of jewish people here.
on the other hand, you have countless (mostly right wing) pro-israel posters who engaged in pretty clear de-humanising, generalising, and outright racist rhetoric, supporting or even promoting the indiscriminate killing of palestinian people, the collective punishment of millions, up to outright genocide: just read the posts of El1te, SlamFkingDunk, WhiteSouned, Landmine, ampoo... that's what actual bigotry and hatred of a whole ethnicity looks like.

that, and my personal conversations with friends and acquaintances, who were all disgusted by hamas' recent terror attacks, make your accusation of "the left" being generally anti-semitic, sound rather ridiculous to me. maybe it's just so radically different in america? again, i'd need some actual evidence though, because from where i stand it just sounds like the boring old silencing strategy that chomsky debunked so eloquently. criticism of israel's policies and actions is not anti-semitism.

just a little thought experiment: do you actually believe that "the left" wouldn't criticise israel if it were a majority christian or hindu country?


All you do is Lie.




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Quality video.
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Oct 13 2023 09:18am
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 13 2023 06:57am)
I follow several people on the center-left and none of them identified with the hateful, genocidal attitude of these Jew haters on the far-left. They all have expressed the sort of reaction I had to this.

I could go on to explain how leaders of America don't act as pundits praising Israel's enemies for their prowess and criticizing Israel's leaders and people for suffering the most deadly attack since the Holocaust, but it would be lost on you because you seem to have lost your brain around the time Trump came on the scene, as have many others.

Honestly, it's just sad. I really wish you guys could detach from the cult and join the American people in these situations.


You don't speak with many young people on this, then. The core of the Democratic activist class is rabidly anti-Israel and pro-terrorism. It's nigh on impossible to unpack all the baggage, but from my perspective it comes from a place of deep self-loathing.

Criticizing Netanyahu now of all times is inappropriate, or to use DeSantis's wording, "absurd". It's not "heinous and evil". Speaking candidly about Hezbollah's capabilities and the need for caution is perfectly above board. Did we pretend that the German army sucked during WWII? The mindless jingoism in place of realism (see Ukraine) is a large part of why our political class has failed so terribly in one political crisis after the next.

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Oct 13 2023 09:39am
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 13 2023 04:23am)
Frankly, it's so apparent that this sort of skepticism is typically evidence of antisemitism.


It is 100% antisemitism.

I'm happy that sane voice on the moderate left are waking up now to reality of the monster they have enabled and created.

I firmly believe that if those people did not see the blatant anti-semitism on full display over the last 8 or more years in academia & the political left, you're either not as smart as you think you are or you're lying.

A seething hatred of Donald Trump and all Republican voters have left them blind in one eye, which is now, I hope, cured.



There is clear video evidence that you have these far left insurgent radicals openly supporting Hamas. There is NO argument against this, this is wrong, anything else is pure denialism.

Academia has been in a state of severe decay for decades. I left an extremely prestigious university 3 years ago, with a Master's instead of a PhD, mainly because of the shocking state of affairs. Hating Israel is open and mainstream. You have Muslim radicalized students (mostly WOMEN) who openly display hate symbols on their laptops with some variation of "Fuck Israel".

Tankies have revealed themselves for who they truly are. Take a gander through this entire thread if you want to know who's a sympathizer/denier/excuser and at worst, supporter of this genocidal attack on Jewish people.

I would expect this from our typical historically virulently anti-semitic European communist radicals e.g. but not from North American leftists.
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Oct 13 2023 09:57am
Quote (IceMage @ 13 Oct 2023 13:06)
Serious questions: do you have social media?

Groups at Harvard and many other universities have put out statements blaming everything on Israel. DSA groups across America and the West have come together with rallies to condemn Israel. BLM Chicago put out an image aligning with "Palestine" by showing an image with a person in a hand glider, a refernce to Hamas flyign into Israel on gliders to rape, kidnap, and murder people at a music concert in Israel. I've seen videos of Jewish people at American universities sobbing because there are rallies going on dedicated to supporting what Hamas did.

I'm missing a bunch. It's so prevalent that I didn't think I had to cite what happened.


i don't have social media accounts and generally don't use it, no, but i talk to a lot of friends, most of which left leaning, about politics - and not one of them is an anti-semite, not one of them was not disgusted by hamas' actions.

that said, in the post i quoted, you claimed that "the left" as a whole advocated the "killing of jewish infants and civilians" and is generally "anti-semitic". now you say "they blame everything on israel and condemn them".
do you genuinely not realise how those are not the same? the latter might be too simplistic of a view, which sounds particularly tasteless after an ESCALATION that was initiated by brutal attacks from hamas, but it is NOT what you (as well as many dishonest actors, simply trying to silence criticism of israel's policies) claim it is. criticising israel is not anti-semitism.

you might disagree with the argument that israel's decades long brutal occupation and oppression of millions of palestinians is the main reason for the radicalisation that lead to the hamas attacks, and the never-ending back and forth of atrocities against both sides' civilian populations, you might subscribe to the racist "they just hate them because it's in their dna" view, but to claim the former is inherently "anti-semitic" and advocating the murder of infants is just blatantly untrue.

i think you are "confusing" being anti-israel's apartheid and occupation policies for being anti-semitic. i doubt those people you talk about have an issue with jewish people in general, they don't burn synagogues or attack jewish people in the street. i doubt they would be silent about the suffering of the palestinian people if israel were a predominantly christian or hindu nation. and frankly, i doubt you are too dumb to realise that.

again, this thread is full of examples. are you an islamophobe? are you in favour of muslim women, children, elderly, and innocent people being slaughtered, ice mage?

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Oct 13 2023 10:01am
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i don't have social media accounts and generally don't use it, no, but i talk to a lot of friends, most of which left leaning, about politics - and not one of them is an anti-semite, not one of them was not disgusted by hamas' actions.

that said, in the post i quoted, you claimed that "the left" as a whole advocated the "killing of jewish infants and civilians" and is generally "anti-semitic". now you say "they blame everything on israel and condemn them".
do you genuinely not realise how those are not the same? the latter might be too simplistic of a view, which sounds particularly tasteless after an ESCALATION that was initiated by brutal attacks from hamas, but it is NOT what you (as well as many dishonest actors, simply trying to silence criticism of israel's policies) claim it is. criticising israel is not anti-semitism.

you might disagree with the argument that israel's decades long brutal occupation and oppression of millions of palestinians is the main reason for the radicalisation that lead to the hamas attacks, and the ever present back and forth of atrocities against both sides civilian populations, you might subscribe to the idiotic "they just hate them because it's in their dna" view, but to claim the former is inherently "anti-semitic" and advocating the murder of infants is just blatantly untrue.

i think you are "confusing" being anti-israel's apartheid and occupation policies for being anti-semitic. i doubt those people you talk about have an issue with jewish people in general, they don't burn synagogues or attack jewish people in the street. i doubt they would be silent about the suffering of the palestinian people if israel were a predominantly christian or hindu nation. and frankly, i doubt you are too dumb to realise that.

again, this thread is full of examples. are you an islamophobe? are you in favour of muslim women, children, elderly, and innocent people being slaughtered, ice mage?


You're absolutely insane.

You're covering for, excusing, condoning the most brutal acts of violence against Jews since the Holocaust.

"Criticising Israel" is a convenient white-washed way of saying "I don't support Israel's right to exist" which is in fact genocidal anti-semitism.

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Oct 13 2023 10:04am
Theres a full terror city under the surface of Gaza, which we aim to destroy.
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