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Jul 26 2017 09:55am
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After reading up on the DoD handbook and policy guidelines and current procedures for transgenders, I think I went from 'skeptical of the ban' to 'skeptical of allowing trans'
Thats a whole hell of a lot of red tape and special conditions for 5000 trannies, making them mandatory high maintenance after the bradley manning debacle
Gays in the military was a simple enough affair, just say "they're okay" and they serve like anyone else, didn't bother anyone. Not the case with the transgenders


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Also the elephant in the room which is these people are much more likely to be abused/victimized by fellow soldiers causing a lot of embarrassment for the armed forces. Next thing you know the media latches on, next thing you know there's marches in protest, they want reforms, etc. It's a whole lot of potential headaches for not so much benefit.


agreed.

and look at it like this: a captured US soldier being beheaded by islamists is a PR disaster. but imagine the even bigger PR disaster of a US soldier being held as a sex slave by islamists....


I also kinda agree with the argument trump alluded to in his tweet: soliders must be determined and quick decision makers. someone not even being able to make up his mind about his own gender raises a big red flag in this sense.

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Jul 26 2017 10:07am
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and look at it like this: a captured US soldier being beheaded by islamists is a PR disaster. but imagine the even bigger PR disaster of a US soldier being held as a sex slave by islamists...


so no women in the military then either? i mean, just to avoid a "PR disaster"?

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I also kinda agree with the argument trump alluded to in his tweet: soliders must be determined and quick decision makers. someone not even being able to make up his mind about his own gender raises a big red flag in this sense.


so this is what you think "transgender" means?
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Jul 26 2017 10:11am
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so this is what you think "transgender" means?


Would you rather we define it as a mental illness that causes 41% of people suffering from it to attempt suicide?
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Jul 26 2017 10:14am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 26 2017 10:11am)
Would you rather we define it as a mental illness that causes 41% of people suffering from it to attempt suicide?


*causes

You don't usually slip up like that, tsk tsk
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Jul 26 2017 10:18am
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so no women in the military then either? i mean, just to avoid a "PR disaster"?


women being raped by the enemy doesnt emasculate the men from the same army and thus doesnt hurt their image across the globe. male soldiers being treated like women does.


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so this is what you think "transgender" means?


not always, but in many cases.

http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Non-binary

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Those with non-binary genders can feel that they:

  • Have an androgynous (both masculine and feminine) gender identity, such as androgyne.
  • Have an identity between male and female, such as intergender.
  • Have a neutral or unrecognized gender identity, such as agender, neutrois, or most xenogenders.
  • Have multiple gender identities, such as bigender or pangender.
  • Have a gender identity which varies over time, known as genderfluid.
  • Have a weak or partial connection to a gender identity, known as demigender.
  • Are intersex and identify as intersex, know as amalgagender
  • Have a culturally specific gender identity which exists only within their or their ancestor's culture.



btw: does anyone get the difference between intergender and amalgagender? :rofl:

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Jul 26 2017 10:20am
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women being raped by the enemy doesnt emasculate the men from the same army and thus doesnt hurt their image across the globe. male soldiers being treated like women does.




not always, but in many cases.

http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Non-binary



btw: does anyone get the difference between intergender and amalgagender? :rofl:


You should read reports on the inside of isis camps with regards to how they treat captured men, rape isn't exactly unheard-of.

Hell, even the guy who got caught in Benghazi got raped in the street if the reports are accurate

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Jul 26 2017 10:32am
If they're used to raping goats and little boys, raping a he-she's is positively straight by comparison.
Still that's really, really, really not a real concern for the US military. The only military in the world that really cares about policies of their soldiers being captured is the insane hannibal directive.
I think the US military cares a lot more about the 41% suicide rate and the 111-135 day of leave/disability and 24 months of counselling that tie up inordinate resources and force PC culture onto troops.
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Jul 26 2017 10:39am
Quote (Goomshill @ 26 Jul 2017 17:11)
Would you rather we define it as a mental illness that causes 41% of people suffering from it to attempt suicide?


"we"? do you also define transgender as someone who can't "make up their mind about their gender"? to each their own, i don't care what kind of definition you choose to justify your inevitable "this is fine" conclusion. i just find it interesting how deliberately ignorant some people choose to be in order to make their "excuse" - especially considering the obvious political calculation behind this, the timing of these tweets, the negligible scope and urgency of this issue itself...

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You should read reports on the inside of isis camps with regards to how they treat captured men, rape isn't exactly unheard-of.

Hell, even the guy who got caught in Benghazi got raped in the street if the reports are accurate


this. also, how insecure do you have to be if some terrorist scum raping a transgender person from your country "emasculates" you? holy shit...
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Jul 26 2017 10:46am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 26 2017 10:32am)
If they're used to raping goats and little boys, raping a he-she's is positively straight by comparison.
Still that's really, really, really not a real concern for the US military. The only military in the world that really cares about policies of their soldiers being captured is the insane hannibal directive.
I think the US military cares a lot more about the 41% suicide rate and the 111-135 day of leave/disability and 24 months of counselling that tie up inordinate resources and force PC culture onto troops.


Sloppy again. That stat you keep putting out isn't accurate in this context. It found strong correlations to homelessness, low household income generally, hiv positivity, and refusal of doctors treating them.

None of which are really appliance in this context.

That's not even getting into the fact that the stat was made up of lifelong reports of attempts by adults, meaning the data is outdated in the context of modern young adults

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Jul 26 2017 10:47am
So 2,500 people whose total cost is essentially a rounding error is a financial problem?

Yeah, Trump didn't talk to any fucking generals about this, he is using it to bargain repeal of Obamacare with the Freedom Caucus.
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