Now Assad and ISIS will have less people shooting at them and the POTUS is advancing Russian agendas. On well. Make Russia Great Again is better than continuing the fight to remove health insurance from the working class IMO.

Less islamists with weapons increases the chances for peace in syria. all the talk about the ""moderate"" syrian opposition was a mirage since day one.

You want to point to a map of Syria and point out where those sunni jihadis who have identical ideologies to ISIS are currently exchanging fire with ISIS?
Are they strolling through the Assad forces surrounding them and then crossing the siege lines of SDF surrounding Raqqa 100 miles away in order to throw rocks at them?

I'm glad the Founding Fathers didn't have the mentality that peace under a tyrant is better than war.

And it's too late now...Syria is gone. When Assad started murdering his people they fled to Europe. You guys hate this refugee crisis but are endorsing the source of it as a positive. So schitzophrenic of a policy position.

But there is no more Syria. It's most important places and people are all gone.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 19 2017 04:23pm

Our schizophrenic foreign policy is what caused the refugee crisis. Get some perspective here.
If we had helped Assad win from the beginning, there would never have been a prolonged humanitarian crisis. Obama made the conscious decision to arm the opposition and thereby effectively support ISIS. Putin was willing to intervene to crush ISIS and the opposition and Obama would have balked at getting dragged into open conflict with Russia like he did years later, but instead Putin made the calculated play to exploit Obama's intervention by letting the war drag on intentionally. Putin thereby weaponized the refugee crisis, intentionally prolonging the war so more brown people would swarm Europe and destabilize the EU- this was his plan. He kept Assad dependent on him and Obama was thereby stuck with his pants down in a corner, stoking the crisis that was harming his allies. Then Obama did the about-face and started supporting the Kurds to defeat ISIS and hand the country back to Assad and Putin, we're doing their work for them.

We prolonged the conflict, got hundreds of thousands killed, sent millions of refugees to europe, strained our relations with Turkey and destabilized the middle east and inspired terrorism worldwide and in the west. And what do we have to show for it all? Syria is still in Russia and Assad's hand and the opposition is defeated. Score one for the good guys, right?

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 19 2017 04:29pm

Syria is a complete loss.

And there was never a reason for the US to go against the Arab Spring. Russia overcommitted and will regret it I'm sure.

At least those in Europe from the efforts of Assad survived and will have better lives.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 19 2017 04:44pm

Is this not about arming the Kurd who battled Isis ? They have probably sped up the process imo. This seems like a good time to stop supporting them with arms.

We can be a pain in the ass for Assad and Putin if we support a creation of Kurdistan from a part of the east side of Syria.
And.. I'm also not sure if the refugee stream was Russia's plan, we can cope with it if the war actually ends. I'm more worried about the millions in Jordan, Egypt and Turkey.

This post was edited by Knaapie on Jul 19 2017 04:51pm

Your analysis of geopolitics is so bad that you should probably keep quit and not embarrass yourself.


Supporting & attempting to create a Kurdistan would alienate the Turks, which are the second largest army in NATO. Can you imagine if Turkey decided to tell NATO to fuck off and join the Russia axis? This would be a monumental geopolitical fuck up, i really hope there aren't generals dumb enough to suggest this.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jul 19 2017 05:05pm

he dares to stop arming the valiant jihadist knights in syria?

seriously though, finally the madness of obama and hillary was corrected



erdogan will NEVER allow a kurdish state, absolutely impossible

and about the refugee stream
thinking about the whole thing makes me think that it was americas plan....

Those in Europe from the efforts of Assad should be resettled back in Syria now that the war is winding down. They should never have been in Europe in the first place.



Arming the Kurds =/= arming the Sunni opposition. We were originally arming the "moderate opposition", a mythical group of freedom-seeking western-government loving sunnis who are right up there with Iraq's WMDs. In reality, we were arming sunni factions that had almost identical ideologies to ISIS and sometimes fought against them and sometimes joined them, and now are completely segregated from them and cut off by hundreds of miles. The Kurds on the other hand are secular and sending arms to the SDF won't bite us in the ass like {every time in history we armed the sunni jihadis}, but it does piss off the Turks who are at perpetual war with the Kurds, and makes things at least a bit more uneasy with Iran. Arming the Kurds was the right thing to do and we should keep supporting them until the wars done, but it was still a flawed solution to a bad situation, and supporting Kurdistan itself would destabilize the middle east even more and cause Turkey to leave NATO and join the Russian sphere of influence. There's a reason we are currently moving our nukes out of Erdogan's country

The refugee stream absolutely was Russia's plan. Perhaps Putin didn't plan it from the start so much as exploit it once it started, but foreign policy strategists have known for some time that Putin was weaponizing the refugee crisis:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12180073/Nato-chief-Vladimir-Putin-weaponising-refugee-crisis-to-break-Europe.html