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Jul 17 2017 05:08pm

Quote (Ghot @ Jul 17 2017 04:02pm)

I don't know where you got those charts, but they are either wildly inaccurate or don't have anything to do with the Electoral College.

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Number of Electoral votes, by State....

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Electoral_map_2012-2020.svg/600px-Electoral_map_2012-2020.svg.png

He's doing a poor job of explaining his point but i think he is trying to say that a large portion of the voting populace doesn't really matter in deciding the presidency, and he's right. I live in NYS, a republican vote from me is meaningless same is true of a democrat voting in Texas. A handful of purple states decide the election in the US.

Quote (Knaapie @ Jul 17 2017 04:08pm)

It's 0.5 mil citizens controlling a state vs 20 mil controlling a state.

It would be like the Netherlands having significantly more relative power in the EU than France.. Seems alright, I condone this :D

No, poor analogy. It's essentially the most moderate or balanced republican vs democrat states deciding the election. I'm not a fan of the electoral college but it does have merits.

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jul 17 2017 06:04pm)

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2012/11/presidential_election_a_map_showing_the_vote_power_of_all_50_states.html

so ?

Yep, yep...that's a very misleading chart. It shows the electoral votes compared to the states population of those old enough to vote.

Whereas, the electoral college is set up like this....

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The United States Electoral College is the mechanism established by the United States Constitution for the indirect election of the President of the United States and Vice President of the United States. Citizens of the United States vote in each state and the District of Columbia at a general election to choose a slate of "electors" pledged to vote for a particular party's candidate.]

The Twelfth Amendment requires each elector to cast one vote for president and another vote for vice president. In each state and the District of Columbia, electors are chosen every four years on the Tuesday after the first Monday in November, and then meet to cast ballots on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December. The candidates who receive a majority of electoral votes among the states are elected President and Vice President of the United States when the Electoral College vote is certified by Congress in January.

Each state chooses electors, totaling in number to that state's combined total of senators and representatives. There are a total of 538 electors, corresponding to the 435 representatives and 100 senators, plus the three electors for the District of Columbia as provided by the Twenty-third Amendment.

/e I understand what he's saying. Unfortunately, the Electoral college is NOT set up the way he wishes it to be. Too bad.

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Jul 17 2017 05:11pm

Quote (ofthevoid @ 18 Jul 2017 00:08)

He's doing a poor job of explaining his point but i think he is trying to say that a large portion of the voting populace doesn't really matter in deciding the presidency, and he's rights. I live in NYS, a republican vote from me is meaningless same is true of a democrat voting in Texas. A handful of purple states decide the election in the US.

Tbh.. Nation wide elections should be simply nation wide, with every vote equal. I'd say the same if there will ever be EU elections.

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Jul 17 2017 05:13pm

Quote (Knaapie @ Jul 17 2017 06:11pm)

Tbh.. Nation wide elections should be simply nation wide, with every vote equal. I'd say the same if there will ever be EU elections.

So then if the popular vote picks someone like... Justin Bieber, let's say....then the U.S. should just go with that?????

/e Popular vote is just a fancy way of saying: mob rule. Our founding fathers decided this might NOT be a good idea. I agree with them.

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Jul 17 2017 05:15pm

Quote (Ghot @ 18 Jul 2017 00:13)

So then if the popular vote picks someone like... Justin Bieber, let's say....then the U.S. should just go with that?????

? What's that analogy?

If he forms a political party where the majority of 18 + will vote on, yes sure.

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Jul 17 2017 05:17pm

Quote (Knaapie @ Jul 17 2017 06:15pm)

? What's that analogy?

If he forms a political party where the majority of 18 + will vote on, yes sure.

Well, I'm glad that you don't get a vote in the U.S., then.

The Electoral College is an election by (elected) politicians for the President. Considering that most people don't have a clue about politics... the Electoral College is a GOOD thing.

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Jul 17 2017 05:20pm

so this end my statement, with the top-notch:

The system Trump once called a “disaster” on Twitter is the reason for his victory:

/closed.

Quote (Ghot @ 18 Jul 2017 00:17)

the Electoral College is a GOOD thing.

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Quote (Ghot @ 18 Jul 2017 00:17)

Well, I'm glad that you don't get a vote in the U.S., then.

The Electoral College is an election by politicians for the President. Considering that most people don't have a clue about politics...that's a GOOD thing.

Approval ratings in combination with the majority vote going to another party kinda disproves its function at this time in history.

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jul 17 2017 06:20pm)

so this end my statement, with the top-notch:

The system Trump once called a “disaster” on Twitter is the reason for his victory:
https://sites.psu.edu/electoralcollege/files/2017/02/Screen-shot-2016-11-10-at-9.57.16-AM-1hozcfu.png

/closed.

That's just normal politicking. If we held the President to everything he/she promised or said during a campaign we'd have to be very naive about the whole U.S. political process.

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Quote (Knaapie @ Jul 17 2017 06:20pm)

Approval ratings in combination with the majority vote going to another party kinda disproves its function at this time in history.

Yeah, it proves that neither of the candidates should have been candidates.
It does NOT prove that the Electoral College is a bad idea.

The president of the U.S. is elected by all the senators and representatives. If the people don't like the results, then they should be a little more cautious when they elect these senators and representatives.

It's actually quite a brilliant system and it monitors itself.

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Jul 17 2017 05:33pm

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jul 17 2017 07:20pm)

This is a bad habit of his.

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