Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 11 2019 10:46pm)

I see your point, but I gotta disagree.

1.: Haley in my opinion jumped ship just in time so that she can wash her hands of responsibility.
2.: The GOP cleaning house if Trump loses in 2020. I dont doubt that the GOP establishment would want to do that, but at the end of the day, the energy within the party's base is still with the 'trumpy' crowds and not with the Romneys or JEB! Bushes.

The second point can of course change if things really go south for Trump during the imeachment hearings, or if he loses in 2020 in a real landslide. But if he narrowly loses in 2020, I dont think that his realignment of the GOP agenda would go anywhere, whether the RNC and the Kochs like it or not. Imho, the future of the Republican party are candidates like Josh Hawley who run on a similar platform as Trump, but are less erratic and divise than him.

Quote (thundercock @ Nov 12 2019 02:45am)

1. She jumped ship at the right time, yes. However, her statements regarding her book are ill-timed IMO. Maybe people will forget about it but I could see it backfiring.
2. The energy exists due to "winning." If the GOP continues to get its ass kicked in elections, then that Trump energy will dissipate rather quickly. I agree with your assessment if he barely loses. If he loses to someone like Warren in a close election, the GOP has a very real chance of taking power back in 2024.

Quote (IceMage @ 12 Nov 2019 09:19)

I was hoping to vote for Nikki Haley one day, but her recent statements on the book tour make that impossible for me. I can't support anyone who severely compromised themselves during the Trump era.

Quote (excellence @ Nov 12 2019 09:21am)

no one cares, keep voting for election-denying candidates who support unmitigated abortion and free healthcare for all illegal immigrants

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Many of the people in DACA, no longer very young, are far from “angels.” Some are very tough, hardened criminals. President Obama said he had no legal right to sign order, but would anyway. If Supreme Court remedies with overturn, a deal will be made with Dems for them to stay!

Quote (IceMage @ 12 Nov 2019 09:23)

I didn't vote for Trump.

Quote (excellence @ Nov 12 2019 09:31am)

https://twitter.com/SpinMattSays/status/1193524610932912129
those are the candidates pushing said policies. you will be voting for one, some, or all of them

Quote (IceMage @ 12 Nov 2019 09:33)

Trump has been president 3 years and illegals essentially get free healthcare and abortion is legal everywhere. Lol.

Quote (excellence @ Nov 12 2019 10:06am)

this was the case before Trump won the Presidency.

(D) candidates for President now (one, some, or all of whom you will vote for) want to push even more tax policies that will amplify tax rates to pay for more government interference on the middle and working class, all under the guise of “taxing the rich”

Quote (IceMage @ 12 Nov 2019 16:46)

So we're in agreement that illegals get free healthcare and abortion access is almost unlimited under a Trump presidency. But I'm supposed to oppose his opponents when the same will be true under their administrations? Makes no sense.