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Jan 31 2017 11:22am
Quote (Beowulf @ Jan 31 2017 11:10am)
this go mainstream yet? I think it's fair game


lets watch and see if it does. If it does, that can tear down some of the trump supporter narrative of media bias.
Its some pretty distilled race card deployment
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Jan 31 2017 11:26am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 31 2017 12:22pm)
lets watch and see if it does. If it does, that can tear down some of the trump supporter narrative of media bias.
Its some pretty distilled race card deployment


But....is it effective?

:lol:
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Jan 31 2017 11:35am
Quote (Mangix @ Jan 31 2017 12:06pm)
indentity politics really need to just go away

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7UlwMck9e0


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Jan 31 2017 11:39am
Quote (Skinned @ Jan 31 2017 10:26am)
But....is it effective?

:lol:


He's using the media to keep the heat off himself so overall yeah

anything he does or says is being used against him and any time he can catch the media in anything he can throw a fact into the alternative fact stew and it keeps warm
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Jan 31 2017 11:41am
Quote (Skinned @ Jan 31 2017 11:26am)
But....is it effective?

:lol:


I'm still wait and see on the effectiveness. Remember that when the republicans stirred up its nonsense with the tea party, it was effective in the short term, it just led to an uncontrollable long term frankensteins monster lurching around wrecking havoc on their party
They definitely flooded the national discourse with identify politics and social justice for the past 2 years, so we can't claim it was too late to influence this election, but I'd be hesitant to claim it failed miserably just because HRC lost and the republicans swept the other elections, I have to entertain the possibility that the backlash against the rigged system and too-big-to-fail candidate was so strong that the identity vitriol was actually offsetting it enough to nearly win the election, and would have been way more one-sided otherwise. If thats the case, it gives democrats a strong potential going 2 years out like the tea party managed to rampage around for a few years before dissolving into a sticky ectoplasmic residue
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Jan 31 2017 12:04pm


They sum up pretty handily why they lost. It seems they didnt actually learn any lessons though.
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Jan 31 2017 12:06pm
Quote (Mangix @ Jan 31 2017 12:04pm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3uHOHMTqJ8

They sum up pretty handily why they lost. It seems they didnt actually learn any lessons though.


i think my favorite part about this dynamic is the answer to "why we lost" is "we didn't get out there and listen to what the people actually wanted". which is the exact policy that the right is employing now. "lol liberal tears, you lost get over it" "go home or get a job and stop protesting" "all you do is whine at everything he does".

its the reason this stuff is cyclical, neither side is actually interesting in finding a middle ground. whether its 4 years or 8 they'll have a rude awakening of their own to interrupt "the movement".

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Jan 31 2017 12:08pm
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i think my favorite part about this dynamic is the answer to "why we lost" is "we didn't get out there and listen to what the people actually wanted". which is the exact policy that the right is employing now. "lol liberal tears, you lost get over it" "go home or get a job and stop protesting" "all you do is whine at everything he does".

its the reason this stuff is cyclical, neither side is actually interesting in finding a middle ground.


Comparison is slightly different. Trump is doing EXACTLY what he said he would, that people who voted for him, want him to do. Which is kind of the opposite of not listening. Hes just not stopping and listening to people who violently opposite him.
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Jan 31 2017 12:15pm
Quote (Mangix @ Jan 31 2017 11:08am)
Comparison is slightly different. Trump is doing EXACTLY what he said he would, that people who voted for him, want him to do. Which is kind of the opposite of not listening. Hes just not stopping and listening to people who violently opposite him.


which is a very significant portion of the population

happy bases are fine and dandy but unless the dems run someone super duper unlikeable again he's gonna need a LOT more people for round 2

Republicans are in no position to ignore so may people imo. 4 years of control is great but 8 is better and getting destroyed in 2-4-+ years for going ham for 20% of the country isn't a great long term approach
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Jan 31 2017 12:17pm
Quote (Mangix @ 31 Jan 2017 19:08)
Comparison is slightly different. Trump is doing EXACTLY what he said he would, that people who voted for him, want him to do. Which is kind of the opposite of not listening. Hes just not stopping and listening to people who violently opposite him.


his voters wanted him to fill his cabinet with donors, oil- and wallstreet-managers, and family?
his voters wanted him to repeal obamacare WITHOUT having a plan how to replace it?
his voters wanted him to ban muslims, except for those he does business with?
his voters wanted him to build a wall with their tax money, without an idea how mexico pays for it?
his voters wanted him to end corruption by doing obvious political favours for his donors without disclosing his taxes, abusing the office for his own personal gain?

interesting. not that it was a majority to begin with...
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