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Oct 12 2023 11:51pm
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 13 2023 12:48am)
The anti-Americanism or anti-Westernism explains some of it, but not all, perhaps not even the majority. We're faced with Hamas doing incredibly horrific things to Jews in Israel and the response from leftist groups all around America and other Western countries is to hold Israel entirely responsible and to stand with the terrorists, so much so that they incorporate some of Hamas's tactics in their images. This animates the far-left much more than any of the more recent examples where they fall into the kneejerk anti-American/anti-Western stance. Jews being murdered really gets their blood flowing, and before this happened I didn't even think leftist antisemitism was worth talking about, because it never displayed itself so openly, and so consequentially.


They're incorporating Hamas imagery because they don't know the state of affairs so they assume Hamas = Palestine, and since Palestine is oppressed then Hamas must be freedom fighters.

I promise you it's stupidity, not anti-semitism.
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Oct 12 2023 11:55pm
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 13 2023 12:48am)
The anti-Americanism or anti-Westernism explains some of it, but not all, perhaps not even the majority. We're faced with Hamas doing incredibly horrific things to Jews in Israel and the response from leftist groups all around America and other Western countries is to hold Israel entirely responsible and to stand with the terrorists, so much so that they incorporate some of Hamas's tactics in their images. This animates the far-left much more than any of the more recent examples where they fall into the kneejerk anti-American/anti-Western stance. Jews being murdered really gets their blood flowing, and before this happened I didn't even think leftist antisemitism was worth talking about, because it never displayed itself so openly, and so consequentially.


A lot of them don't specifically hate jews. They'd be also cheering if it was white people getting butchered. Or billionaires. Or police. Or trump supporting black people. Latching onto antisemitic causes is just bandwagoning for most of them, tankie dedication to the palestinians is an inch deep and they'd throw them under the bus too the moment they started rallying for the other side, which looked like a thing when they pushed trannies-in-schools and got the muslim mob against them.

These are all just symptoms of the deep wound of bitter partisanship and hatred, embracing that binary thinking to its extremes.
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Oct 13 2023 12:01am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 12 2023 10:51pm)
They're incorporating Hamas imagery because they don't know the state of affairs so they assume Hamas = Palestine, and since Palestine is oppressed then Hamas must be freedom fighters.

I promise you it's stupidity, not anti-semitism.


Do you realize how infantilizing you are being right now towards these people?

You mean the leaders of groups at Harvard and other elite colleges, or leaders of significant social groups like Black Lives Matter in Chicago, don't really know what's going on around the world? They don't have access to information? They know enough to put the hand glider on the BLM Chitown image, but do not understand that Hamas wasn't flying into a concert filled with only IDF soldiers?

You are a smart man Thor, but I believe you are wrong on this. These people have the brain power and the access to know that what they are saying is wrong. Much like Trump and his cronies regarding the attempt to steal the 2020 election, I don't care if they truly believe an absurd lie, they have the intellectual capability and the access to information to know they shouldn't believe or act on that nonsense.
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Oct 13 2023 12:03am
Holy shit Americans are terrifying, these people should not have nukes.
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Oct 13 2023 12:03am
Israel to notify the UN and the citizens of the city Gaza (the biggest city in Gaza Strip) to evacuate and move south, near the Egyptian border. Hamas to claims it’s a false massage. Hamas is interested to prevent the evacuation so the local population keep being used as human shields.
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Oct 13 2023 12:05am
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Israel to notify the UN and the citizens of the city Gaza (the biggest city in Gaza Strip) to evacuate and move south, near the Egyptian border. Hamas to claims it’s a false massage. Hamas is interested to prevent the evacuation so the local population keep being used as human shields.


Egypt won't open the border. Nobody wants the Palestinians coming into their land.
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Oct 13 2023 12:06am
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 13 2023 09:05am)
Egypt won't open the border. Nobody wants the Palestinians coming into their land.


I don’t think anyone expect that from them.
Just that the population move south to not get hurt by intense bombing. Hamas has his infrastructure all over the city. Above and under
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Oct 13 2023 12:07am
Egypt won't take them. The west bank can't take them, and won't, and you can go through the list of Jordan and the rest. Israel won't massacre everyone in Gaza, and everyone in Gaza will still be willing to kill Jews
I said it on day 1, the only logical end state is a DMZ surrounding Gaza
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Oct 13 2023 12:26am
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 12 2023 11:05pm)
Egypt won't open the border. Nobody wants the Palestinians coming into their land.


Sounds like the plan is to have them evacuate to the southern half within 24-hours and then bomb the northern part.

Edit: And seems Hamas is telling people to ignore that message from Israel and remain in place. Lots of human shields about to die.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Oct 13 2023 12:41am
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Oct 13 2023 12:54am
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 13 2023 01:23am)
The biggest surprise for me about this whole ordeal is not how evil and hate-filled Hamas is(that's runner up, I had no idea the extent of their evil), but rather how potent the antisemitism on the far-left is. My default position is to sort of ignore the far-left idiocy because it's not embraced by the most powerful Democrats, but it's truly shocking how so many leftist groups have basically come out in favor of murdering Jews, whether they be soldiers, civilians, or infants. They express solidarity with Hamas by incorporating hand gliders in their images, a reference to Hamas gliding into an outdoor music concert in Israel to rape, kidnap, and murder people.

I'm seriously glad we have a Democrat as president who put aside the political differences he has with the Israeli president and has, at least so far, been unequivocally supportive of Israel and their response to this terror. We can contrast Biden's response with Trump's despicable(and evil) comments recently about Hezbollah, Netanyahu, and Israel.


If you're shocked then you haven't been paying much attention. The left's worldview is binary, the world is filled with the oppressed and their oppressors. To paraphrase, "what did you expect decolonization would look like?"

Hezbollah is very capable. This was a monumental failure of Israel's political leadership. It's astounding that anyone could think criticizing Bibi of all people is an evil and heinous act.
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