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Sep 15 2025 03:12am


Meaning?
They had nothing to do with the formation of the country of The United States of America, other than a hindrance anyway.
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Sep 15 2025 03:29am
https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states

Keep in mind that right wing motivated murders for the last 5 years are still much higher (2.5 times) than left wing, they are just less of a media spectacle. This is not unique to the US btw, when I checked the data for germany because of the same rhetoric it turns out thath the right is more violent against people while the lefts violence was more against property and very targeted if it was against persons (rightwing protestors and police)

TL:DR: The political right is much more likely to murder you and also much better in flooding the media when a crime happens that fits their agenda. Not even sure this case actually fits their agenda, that obviously didn't stop them anyways.


Their data doesn't check out. From sep 20 to sep 25 the list of lethal terror attacks is small enough we can quantify it easily
Not counting attacker being killed, or the many many many terror attacks with 0 killed or only attacker killed, since that wouldn't fit their description of "being killed by a politically motivated terrorist":

Right wing:
- 10 buffalo (may 22)
- 8 in allen texas (may 23)
- 3 in jacksonville (aug 23)
- 2 in brooklyn park mn (jun 25)
= 23 killed in 4 attacks

Islamist:
- 1 in dc (apr 21)
- 1 in plano (aug 21)
- 14 in new orleans (jan 25)
- 1 in boulder (jun 25)
= 17 killed in 4 attacks

Left wing:
- 6 in nashville (mar 23)
- 1 in assassination attempt on trump (jul 24)
- 1 in assassination of healthcare CEO (dec 24)
- 1 in coventry by zizians (jan 25)
- 3 in minneapolis (aug 25)
- 1 in orem utah (sep 25)
= 13 killed in 6 attacks

They don't show their data, so I can only assume its really wrong and including incidents that didn't have a political motive. Like the muslim guy who did a mass shooting but didn't have any ideological motive, just being a basket case, he's not an islamist.
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Sep 15 2025 03:34am
I double dog dare you to find a muslim male in robes and tell them they are dressed feminine.
I eagerly await the results. :thumbsup:


I though in American culture that the majority of people viewed Jesus as a Christian rather than a Muslim??? I mean don't 60% of Americans identify as Christians or something or has that changed in recent times?
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I though in American culture that the majority of people viewed Jesus as a Christian rather than a Muslim??? I mean don't 60% of Americans identify as Christians or something or has that changed in recent times?


Irrelevant to my post.
I am addressing the connection of robes looking feminine only.
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Sep 15 2025 04:12am
I referred to three examples when I used the word foundation. A building foundation, a institutional organization, and an underlying basis or principle. The word 'foundations' has several meanings. When I refer to the Statue of Liberty I'm talking about it's structural foundation. It's origins are obviously older than America itself but it is probably the most famous monument in America to an outsider. And it does look like a man too that's pretty obvious.
And also I'm interested to know your perspective on the hair/robe thing. So if a one-piece isn't feminine like a robe/dress then what kind of outfit do you consider to be feminine instead? And if long hair isn't feminine then what hairstyle is feminine to you instead?


When did you refer to three examples when you used the word foundation? You didn't before, so I don't know why you are acting as if it was a claim in the past. If you are referring to the structural foundation, then it is French and your point is erroneous. Its "origins" are not older than America itself if you mean when it was built. It doesn't look like a man nor is its intent to look like a man. Just saying "that's pretty obvious" is an unjustified position.

You are the one to claim Jesus is feminine and your only example is him wearing masculine clothing and hair style for his time period.. you're just making incredibly bad arguments and it's honestly a waste of time to reply to further as you're not only factually wrong, you're too lazy to even look up very basic things.
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Sep 15 2025 04:33am
Their data doesn't check out. From sep 20 to sep 25 the list of lethal terror attacks is small enough we can quantify it easily
Not counting attacker being killed, or the many many many terror attacks with 0 killed or only attacker killed, since that wouldn't fit their description of "being killed by a politically motivated terrorist":

Right wing:
- 10 buffalo (may 22)
- 8 in allen texas (may 23)
- 3 in jacksonville (aug 23)
- 2 in brooklyn park mn (jun 25)
= 23 killed in 4 attacks

Islamist:
- 1 in dc (apr 21)
- 1 in plano (aug 21)
- 14 in new orleans (jan 25)
- 1 in boulder (jun 25)
= 17 killed in 4 attacks

Left wing:
- 6 in nashville (mar 23)
- 1 in assassination attempt on trump (jul 24)
- 1 in assassination of healthcare CEO (dec 24)
- 1 in coventry by zizians (jan 25)
- 3 in minneapolis (aug 25)
- 1 in orem utah (sep 25)
= 13 killed in 6 attacks

They don't show their data, so I can only assume its really wrong and including incidents that didn't have a political motive. Like the muslim guy who did a mass shooting but didn't have any ideological motive, just being a basket case, he's not an islamist.


While I can't really verify either dataset, yours also seem to imply that right wing is more dangerous than either left or islamists (just not combined anymore)?

This post was edited by SkySwallower on Sep 15 2025 04:33am
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Irrelevant to my post.
I am addressing the connection of robes looking feminine only.


OK so I'm not American but I am from a predominantly Christian culture. So in Christianity to imitate a womens dress code is forbidden. Because my wife wears a robe (dressing gown etc) I don't wear one as a result. And because she has long hair I don't imitate her hair style either. Not that I desire to and we just naturally dress the way we do without really thinking about it alot of the time but I also understand that in other cultures and other traditions there are people who identify as homosexuals, lesbians or a combination of both or have a different way of living and this may not be natural to them.

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Sep 15 2025 05:15am
While I can't really verify either dataset, yours also seem to imply that right wing is more dangerous than either left or islamists (just not combined anymore)?


Its a pretty pointless way to quantify terrorism. The difference between an attack that kills 2 people and an attack that kills 20 is the doors of a Minneapolis church being locked. The actions and intent were identical, the outcomes were arbitrary. Include 9/11 in historical data and everything else is noise.
For every terrorist attack that kills 10+ people there were probably 5 more than killed 1-3 people, and another 10 failed attacks that only killed 0-1 people including attacker

What we see in the past 5 years is an absolute explosion in the number of attempted terrorist attacks from the left-wing, but only a small number of right-wing and islamist attacks, which were disproportionately deadly.
When you expand the list to include all attempted attacks in that 5 year span, you get;

(killed/injured - location/date)

Right-wing:
10/3 - Buffalo, may 22 (mass shooting)
0/1 - San fran, oct 22 (paul pelosi attack)
8/7 - Allen TX, may 23 (mass shooting)
3/0 - Jacksonville FL, aug 23 (mass shooting)
2/2 - Minneapolis MN, jun 25 (hortman assassination)

Islamist:
1/1 - DC, apr 21 (attack on police)
1/0 - Plano TX, aug 21 (attack on police)
0/0 - Coreyville TX, jan 22 (synagogue attack)
0/1 - Henderson NV, mar 22 (stab)
0/1 - Chicago, oct 24 (shot a jew)
14/57 - New Orleans, jan 25 (ramming & shooting)
1/14 - Boulder CO, jun 25 (flamethrower/molotov anti-jew)

Left-wing:
0/29 - Brooklyn, apr 22 (subway shooting)
0/2 - Ahmerst NY, jun 22 (arson)
0/0 - Chevy Chase MA, jun 22 (kavanaugh assassin)
0/1 - Odessa MI, sep 22 (pro-life activist shot)
0/1 - Atlanta GA, jan 23 (attack on police)
6/2 - Nashville TN, mar 23 (trans shooting christian kids)
0/2 - Houston TX , feb 24 (lakewood church)
1/4 - Butler PA, jul 24 (trump assassination)
0/1 - Palm Beach F, sep 24 (trump assassination #2)
1/0 - NYC, dec 24 (thompson assassination)
1/0 - Coventry VT, jan 25 (zizian plot)
0/4 - Palm Springs CA, may 25 (antinatalist suicide bomber)
0/1 - Alvarado TX, jul 25 (antifa ambush on ICE with 11 gunmen)
0/3 - McAllen TX, jul 25 (shooting of border patrol)
2/21 - Minneapolis MN, aug 25 (trans shooting christian kids)
1/0 - Orem UT, sep 25 (kirk assassination)


Notably, this list does NOT include the massive number of riots and lower level violence like firebombing political offices or other smaller arson attacks, or other more minor political violence like pro-life activists getting beaten. Also didn't count some aborted attacks, like trump assassin #3 who killed his parents
That would pad the numbers with an almost infinite number of incidents from the riots. But just looking at incidents with deadly force and people getting burned instead of property, you can see how the count is skewed.
There have been 3x as many left-wing attacks as right-wing and even islamists are getting eclipsed. But a handful of right-wing and islamist gunmen have killed numerous people in one attack, whereas every left-wing attack has only killed 0-2 people save nashville (discrepancy of the two posts- accidentally included dead gunmen in count in above post, not in this one)

*fixed, only change I had thompson as 0/1 when its supposed to be 1/0

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Guy looks like one of those VR chat weirdos. Steam was showing 2000+ Sea of Thieves hours. Incredible amount of gaming hours for the age.

Maybe all those gay loot crates have an effect.
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When did you refer to three examples when you used the word foundation? You didn't before, so I don't know why you are acting as if it was a claim in the past. If you are referring to the structural foundation, then it is French and your point is erroneous. Its "origins" are not older than America itself if you mean when it was built. It doesn't look like a man nor is its intent to look like a man. Just saying "that's pretty obvious" is an unjustified position.

You are the one to claim Jesus is feminine and your only example is him wearing masculine clothing and hair style for his time period.. you're just making incredibly bad arguments and it's honestly a waste of time to reply to further as you're not only factually wrong, you're too lazy to even look up very basic things.


:rofl: :rofl:

Good post to start my morning, thanks!

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