i believe in evolution despite little to no knowledge of biology/chemistry/physics and i do make fun of people who attack it while proposing laughable alternatives

it isn't blind to believe in science given it's track record of success, cars drive, airplanes fly, medicine cures, and on topic - calories in vs calories out is the key to weight loss

i don't need to understand biology to make fun of the people who claim their body defies physics - deluded people who actually believe the state of their body has nothing to do with what they've put into it

I think aspiration has much more power than desperation as a rule of thumb. Creating a more hateful environment for people isn't going to motivate them to change, they're just going to start associating the negative feelings they receive when they're attacked by people with the people themselves, and those two phenomena will become one to the chubby beholder. Shaming is not a good way to get the current Us. vs Them mentality that is going on because that has been happening already for a very long time, in interpersonal relationships (right fatass?), in magazines, television, and movies, in our humor...how many cliche' comedy troupes are based on fat people? I bet you laugh at every one of those boring jokes. Ever see a "Plus Sized" model? They are still skinny bitches! The industry that makes our clothes thinks you're plus size if you're female and not built like a 12 year old boy....that is how extreme and hyperbolic the anti-fat crowd has become, the baseline is circling the drain levels of starvation. We have been fat shaming at the level of 12/10 for at least 10 decades, which makes up the entirety of the modern world, when surplus started becoming the problem rather than deficiency.

I think people struggling with weight will be more motivated by aspiration than desperation. The fact it that it isn't that hard to lose weight when you're determined to do it. I would categorize a program into three steps of Activation levels, an Activation Level being defined as how involved a person is in the weight loss process, with 1 being least involved (but in change stage rather than precontemplative or contemplative stages) which would have steps like: weighing yourself every morning and entering it into a log, add up the calories of what you eat on a daily basis and from what sources and add it to a log, monitor sleeping habits to ensure 7+ hours are being met, vigorous stretching routine etc. Then Level 2 would have marginal steps in all directions that do not themselves seem like that big of a deal at the time (switch processed calories to fresh calories, swap carbohydrate/lipid calories for protein, etc) and once the body is able to move again by the vigorous stretching then get it moving through light calisthenics and walking. Level 3 would even be more rigorous, like constant calorie counting, regular exercise routines, and could even be months away from level 1 (or not possible at all) depending on rehabilitation needs.

What is necessary is that clients feel empowered to do it, that it doesn't seem impossible, and that lastingchange is implemented. As long as we keep stepping in the right direction the right things will happen, on any given timeline. Too many people watch the television shows where it is basically a montage of a morbidly (x5) person lose 250 pounds and then get extensive cosmetic surgery and then spontaneously believe that since this visual transformation happened, that person has changed inside as well.

People just aren't going to get fit by doing a three month bootcamp and too many people think that is how it is done....or some fad diet like Adkins.

This post was edited by Skinned on Aug 9 2016 07:52am

This is blindness, 100% First you say you know crap about physics and 3 seconds later, your saying if they dont agree with your idea of physics - they must be deluded. Actually science is charging on the outdated theory of what goes in results in what comes out.

Look up fecal transplants and probiotic research and you'll see who the deluded one is.

This post was edited by card_sultan on Aug 9 2016 08:15am

Oh I get it... weren't you that one person who tried to apply the first law of thermodynamics to the intake & usage of calories?

You're absolutely in the right when you believe in stuff because it makes sense to you. But you're absolutely pathetic when you act like the thing you believe in is the one and only possible version of the truth. Especially when you are fully aware of the fact that your knowledge of biology and physics is relatively limited.



This is how I feel about the matter as well.

This post was edited by howtodisappearcompletely on Aug 9 2016 08:03am

I would kindly disagree, not that i watch the show much but i have seen parts of that show "The biggest Loser" and their method of motivation is always the same. They are not aspiring them, they forcefully beat them up mentally, because they have all deluded themselves, its tough love that always wins, not coddling them with stupid aspiring quotes and creating an atmosphere of accepting their delusions.

being fat is not the problem, the problem is people are getting fatter and society is moving in the direction of coddling them with bullshit like body positivity and how it isn't fair to hold them accountable for the state of their body despite large amounts of crap they eat every day - i have seen your "american size" meals/drinks here in canada and i find it scary that THAT is the norm down there as the message of fat acceptance is being pounded into their heads that people can't lose weight if they tried and they'd just gain it right back - this needs to be ridiculed for the bs that it is

diet and exercise can come after you get people to accept that they can change their bodies



i await your body of evidence consisting of tumblr blogs disproving the laws of thermodynamics and how every body is different

This post was edited by duffman316 on Aug 9 2016 08:15am

Question is... how fat is too phat?

depends on the context and to what degree.

obese people create health problems for themselves.
mobility and accessibility problems for themselves.

society has to adapt.

their hindrance becomes others hindrance.
all while it's in their control (those who don't have a medical condition like thyroid problems)

we can either have a society of victims blaming external factors for their problems or we can start to hold them and ourselves accountable.

Wait... you're actually serious now?

There is no such proof because the two have nothing to do with each other. That's like saying unicorns exist because of the first law of thermodynamics, and then challenging me to find a counter-argument. The laws of thermodynamics are about energy as such, and have nothing to do with the energy the human body can extract from food by digesting it. Both are called "energy" but the laws of energy as a whole have nothing to do with the nutritional value that we happen to call "energy" as well. If all atomic energy in food were absorbed and usable by the human body, eating 1 apple would be sufficient to last a lifetime and then some.

The fact that you use the laws of thermodynamics in an argument about nutrition shows that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and you're just pulling in "proof" from stuff you've heard without ever really having questioned or understood it.